I wanted everyone to know so I thought I would post this again, seperately, so that it isn't lost in the mix. I truly hope this answers a lot of questions that have been asked and is said with all sincerity, the best I know how.
I never intend to be a 501c3 organization and no offense but if you require a receipt for tax purposes, I would rather you not participate. It is nothing personal, it is simply based on scripture that I feel this way and I must obey God in this matter, I hope you understand. I am trying my very best to keep this as private as possible so that I may obey God.
Here are the scriptures that I keep in mind for this issue:
Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Luke 6
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
1|1|Cinda...you are MISSING the point.|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:02:07|12/10/2011|
Posted on Dec-10-11 at 08:02 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68
I don't require a receipt to help someone...however, there are NOOOO checks and balances with what you are proposing.
What you are saying is....YOU will be the only person taking the donations....NOBODY else....
YOU will be the one doling out the donations to who YOU see fit....without any accountability....
I'm sorry, but this makes me uneasy and uncomfortable.
Surely, you MUST see how this could be a problem for most?
2|2|I'l provide proof if need be, no problem at all!! :)|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:07:55|12/10/2011|
If any potential helper wants receipts or proof of funds sent, no problem! If you want to rifle through my garbage and do a background check lol Whatever would make you comfortable. No problem at all! :) I have a very good trading history here and elsewhere and you are most welcome to any references that would ease your mind, just let me know. :) 3|3|But this is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION.....you were saying it would be discreet so as not to embarrass the recipient...same with this auction...|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:10:40|12/10/2011|
that you can not release the recipient's name unless they authorized you to?
Sorry, maybe I'm not understanding...but it seems you are contradicting yourself. 4|4|not a contradiction, let me clarify|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:14:59|12/10/2011|
I will protect the person's identity with all means possible if they do not permit me to release their information.
As for me, oh my, you ladies can investigate and check me out every which way you like, whatever I must endure to help someone else, I don't mind a bit. 5|5|Okay....so then you can't possible say you will release who the funds went to...because if the person doesn't want you to release their name you won't.....correct?|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:16:51|12/10/2011|
Posted on Dec-10-11 at 08:16 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68
therefore, in reality you can't possibly account to all those who donate if it's not open to those who donate.
Am I correct in my understanding?
9|6|I will prove to the helpers |cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:23:31|12/10/2011|
I'm not sure I understand your question but I will prove to the helpers that the funds did indeed go to the recipient. And of course, the information will be shared with the helpers, not publicly on the board. As already has happened, a few have asked where to send donations to the lady and her name and address was provided. The recipient has permitted me to share her information with helpers, I hope that anwers your question. 10|7|This is something entirely different than originally proprosed.....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:30:47|12/10/2011|
And truly, it's seems pretty deceiptful to wait until AFTER all funds have been paid and donated before letting someone know who their funds went to help.....and for what.
I'm sorry, but this a very backward way to help someone...and could possibly backfire on you...and possibly the board....and ruin it for others who truly do need help in the future.
15|8|not different than what I said before|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:46:18|12/10/2011|
Please read carefully what I have already said about this. I did originally propose that the network grow to eventually one helper directly helping the recipient, preferably because they may be in the same area. A way to gather people together so that those who need help can be connected to those who can help. I would simply provide the details, that is my hope for the network down the road.
I am not being deceitful at all, I have offered to provide references, receipts, whatever you may need. To check on me but I won't allow anyone to put the recipient through such hassles.
You are missing the fact that the helpers *know* who the person is, just not the whole board. They know her name and address and for any helper that bids on the auction, I do have permission from the lady to share her information. Again, just for the helpers only. I will not make a spectacle of her just to satisfy anyone's curiousity. If it is not enough to know that she is a dear member of RS, truly deserving of help and my goodness, it is for food...then please don't help. That should be all anyone needs to know. 17|9|Okay, then...well....if that's clear...then let those who want to help do so....but there's no need to blast those who don't or feel there's a conspiracy against you if some don't donate....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:49:37|12/10/2011|
why not let people know when the network is up and running and just let it take it's course? No need to start calling out people about who did what..like what happened tonight with the auction. 6|5|Then like I said below the person truly isn't in need. Because if my kids were starving I'd do almost ANYTHING to get them food. Releasing my name would be the least of my concerns.|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|20:17:10|12/10/2011|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!)
"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor 7|6|See...this is how your network is flawed.....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:19:30|12/10/2011|
regardless of how honest or dishonest a person is...it is NEVER a good idea to have a bunch of people give money to one person and just have that one person have full access and freedom to distribute as they see fit without having to disclose what and how much went where.
This has NOTHING to do with religion, religious quotes...it's just plain business and common sense. 11|7|most willing to disclose with helpers|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:32:22|12/10/2011|
I think you are really misunderstanding...there has already been direct help from one helper to a recipient, I only provided her name and address. The funds never crossed my path at all.
I have said several times now that I will provide any and all proof that any helper might need, for whatever funds I directly handle. So I am *most* willing to disclose and provide proof for the funds that I handle, I don't know how to say that any clearer.
I'm sorry but I have no use for business advice and human common sense, like I said, I have God to answer to and not man. I am only trying to do what I feel is right before my God. The only words that matter to me regarding these matters are God's word. 13|8|Cinda....whenever money is involved you should ALWAYS be concerned with business and common sense....it's nice to have such a belief in God|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:40:18|12/10/2011|
But the reality remains that you are not asking God for donations...you are asking hard working board members..... 18|9|I am most certainly asking God|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:59:15|12/10/2011|
Any sentence that is framed like this..."belief in God BUT" is a red flag to me. I am most certainly asking God that he puts it on the hearts of us here to help this lady.
Please do not belittle belief in God by putting a "but" after it. I never read the rest of the statement when I see "God but" in a sentence. Because the "but" cancels out God and in this case, it was "belief in God". So I cannot comment about what was said after the "belief in God but". 20|10|Okay, Cinda....I'm done debating this with you......it's clear you are unable to discuss this without using religion. I wasn't being disrespectful ...I was trying to |kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|21:03:35|12/10/2011|
get clarification...as many of the things you have stated raised red flags yourself.......therefore, I was trying to get clarification.
I wish you the very best of luck in your endeavors...but personally won't be participating (not that you care as you previously stated).....
Just know you are inaccurate in thinking that those who don't help you with your "network" are uncaring or any of the kind.....I do a great deal for my community and will continue to do so... 21|11|should never have been a debate at all|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|21:21:44|12/10/2011|
And please do not misrepresent me, I did not say that those who won't participate are uncaring, those are your words, not mine. I am done too as it is becoming a chore trying to correct your false statements and misleading comments. 8|6|I AGREE, I WOULD NOT DONATE UNLESS I KNEW WHO IT WAS FOR AND WHY...........|JOYHAPPYONE|DAIDOLA5@AOL.COM|20:22:17|12/10/2011|
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19|7|it is for food and for a dear member at RS|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|21:01:54|12/10/2011|
if that is not enough information, please see other posts as well, I have revealed as much as permitted. If that is not sufficient then please do not help. 12|5|holy sh!t!! all this fuss over something that is supposed to be a good cause|QponFreebieQueen|QponFreebieQueen@gmail.com|20:38:48|12/10/2011|
If i was the recipient of the auction i would be crawling under a rock right about now.
my take on this, help if you CAN and WANT too, I you cant DON'T! i have helped on many auctions before myself because i tighted the belt and i WANTED too. if someone feels guilted into help, then the true meaning of help is lost. i think Lacinda meant no harm
and just needed shellys advice and maybe was asking a *hand up*. All anyone can do is ask.
I think shells efforts are great and i think Lacindas are also. both can be abused by people. say maybe the people asking for christmas kids dont really have any kids and are selling the items they receive or maybe Lacindas cause where they could be totlly lieing about being in such a hardship.
it all comes down too faith in that they do NEED help, and having faith in people and believing their needs are genuine.
lets move on from this and have a nice holiday season.
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14|6|It is ridiculous...but if Cinda is looking for donations...she needs to be clear as to the intent and the expectations.....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:43:57|12/10/2011|
She brought this up...and I'm sorry if I'm just voicing what many may be thinking.
16|7|THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....THERES NO INFORMATION....I HAVE GIVEN HERE MANY TIMES BUT ALWAYS KNEW WHAT AND WHO IT WAS ABOUT........|JOYHAPPYONE|DAIDOLA5@AOL.COM|20:48:11|12/10/2011|
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22|8|I'm so sad over reading this.. |Mightymom7492|Mightymom74@att.net|21:38:49|12/10/2011|
That I'm telling I'm the one that is the need for help. Here is my backgroud
I use to live in a nice house (rented)that was owned by my uncle. I lived there for two years. Was getting my life back in order. I found a job and everything was going good. Then my uncle decided to remodel the house and he said I need to leave in a week. Back up all my stuff in a week! I had no where to go, I was starting to get sick I thought it was the flu or something. So, I moved in with my friend that I use to know in high school. My son had to live with my brother and my 12 year old daughter and I moved in with my friend. I got very sick in August and almost died with massive blood clots in my heart, lungs and legs. My DR said I couldn't work anymore so I lost my job. I applied to SSI but was turned down. I had a little food stamps but since my friend doesn't want the family to know that I am living there I can't prove I am living there or paying him rent. So, they are taking away my food stamps and I can't work because it would kill me. Yes, I have a roof over my head and I share the internet and I could go to the food pantry to get food but I can't because one I got to show proof of my place and what I pay. Also my daughter has severe allergies I have to watch everything she eats. I'm trying to sell everything I own to put food on the table. Yes, I may sneak some of my room mates food to feed my daughter but the room mate is starting to notice and this is only temp to live here. I am late on my payments of rent too.
I'm sorry, that I asked for help. I would have never would if this would have happen. I saw a chance that I could get some help. Next time I won't ask. I'm sorry for all this. 23|1|I think you mean well.....|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|22:01:36|12/10/2011|
and I am sorry this is not working for you, but I do understand people being leary of it. For me, I believe God calls me to be a good steward of the money He has supplied. Part of that is knowing that I give prayerfully and to those I trust to use it wisely. Some organizations I will give to, other I will not. I give locally and help through my church and community, also giving to people that I know are going through hard times or when God lays someones need on my heart. I think part of being a good steward is knowing as much facts about a situation as possible, and that is very hard to do with people over the internet.
Overall I think this is a very giving community of people not just at Christmas time.
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auction she had where your bidder won Wouldn't want to see you not get the funds