Since you have been doing this a while, you are probably familiar with those who bid on help auctions so please spread the word to them about my auction for food help. It is for a very dear member here at RS, it is for a necessity which is urgent. And because I emailed you a while back with very detailed information about ideas for helping others, you might be able to vouch for me. Please do all you can to add and bid, thanking you in advance!! :) 1|1|oh!!! maybe you never got that email?|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|03:31:13|12/10/2011|
I didn't receive a response from you so maybe you didn't get my email from a while back? I'm sorry if it didn't go through right, I don't like this email program on my new pc at all.
Just in case you didn't get it, here it is:
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 Hi, Thank you so much for caring about the kids and for all that you do, I am I love that so many people want to help during this time of the year and I What about asking the family if they would like to remain on a list for I see that shipping is a huge cost and boy do I ever understand this! One I know you didn't ask for any advice and I hope I am not intruding. I just God bless, I know a lot of people are struggling right now...and we have a lot of people that I'm hoping the person in need of help can contact someone in their area to help...I'm sure All the regular agencies in her area haven't been able to help her much due to circumstances. She needs our help as she has exhausted all those avenues.
4|4|I know you mean well, but I think it's unfair of you to single out Shelly and ask her to do more than she already does|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|15:40:20|12/10/2011| she's worked so hard to put together all the angel kids...and probably would like to focus on enjoying her own holiday with her family...I'm not saying this to be mean or cause an argument, it just doesn't seem right to me.
5|5|I'm not asking her for money or to even add or bid|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|15:50:22|12/10/2011| She has been doing these auctions a while and is probably friends with those involved, was only asking that she use her pull to help with the food auction. Simply asking for a bit of kindness, not any work or financial help at all. What is puzzling to me is that when it came to the christmas items, this family wasn't told to "ask local agencies". Everyone here pulled together for the christmas part but for food? No. The food is a necessity and I'm quite puzzled that there isn't more concern for this need.
6|6|If I'm not mistaken, your original post was "please do all you can to add and bid"|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|15:53:59|12/10/2011| Posted on Dec-10-11 at 03:53 PM (Eastern) by 205.188.116.68 sorry, but to me that indicates you wish her to use more or her personal resources and finances to fund your auction. while I understand your intent is good.......Shelly does alot....and she had JUST finished posting about how she was finished with the angel kids and was happy her job was complete..... To single her out to help MORE is just not right to me. This is a difficult time for many and while many would like to give, people just can't continue to give and give. It's simply not possible. "Since you have been doing this a while, you are probably familiar with those who bid on help auctions so please spread the word to them about my auction for food help. It is for a very dear member here at RS, it is for a necessity which is urgent. And because I emailed you a while back with very detailed information about ideas for helping others, you might be able to vouch for me. Please do all you can to add and bid, thanking you in advance!! :) " And why not, I added to her auctions so it is only kind that she do the same. Thank you for correcting me!
9|8|But my point was......she may want to take a rest now.....It's a lot of work to do the angel kids....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|16:07:34|12/10/2011| When you had first posted the idea, there were some who were in support of it and some who didn't feel it was a great idea.....you have the auction and many people have come forward......those who want to participate will..... It's just not right to single a person out like you did Shelly.....I know that if someone singled me out like that and "called me out" (in a way) I would feel obligated and possibly guilty for not doing so and after all Shelly does she should NEVER feel like that. I think you should just allow people to continue to add and bid to your auction....it's there and any member who is a part of the board can and will bid....
14|9|that would be great if those who wanted to help would just do so :)|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:18:51|12/10/2011| But that wasn't the case, in fact there was a huge campaign against me wanting to start a help network. Quite vicious on the part of some in fact. Lots of hatred towards the poor and generally excuses to pass the buck. It was intended to sway opinion and it seems to have worked, very sad to me. I could understand this attitude if there were never others here who cared enough to help but there are! So many lovely members here do help and are happy to do so so I am really puzzled as to why my efforts were spit upon. I must sit at the wrong lunch table in high school. Something along those lines. Sad to see such bitterness and unwarranted hatred that will result in less help for those who need it.
15|10|Cinda....I'm sorry but I think you are WAY off base....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|16:20:51|12/10/2011| I've donated over $400 this past month alone to my local community agencies for toys, food and clothes...... Just because someone isn't giving through you doesn't mean they have hatred towards those who need help. I'm sorry, but to suggest that is just plain wrong.
18|11|I can repost the hateful comments towards the poor but what is the point|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:28:14|12/10/2011| Everyone read them a while back when they were posted, there is a general disdain for the poor by some on here, not all but some.
19|12|Cinda, it's NOT towards the poor....the comments were intended for those who take advantage....there's a BIG difference between the two|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|16:30:11|12/10/2011| nobody in their right mind would be rude to the poor.
28|10|Cinda, you had asked for input on your idea initially....people were being candid, not hateful. And there was no campaign against you or your idea.....people spoke honestly on both sides of the issue. The same people you may think are being bitter and hateful are the same people who help others here and in their private lives consistently, but it isnt posted about or broadcasted. Some people just don't have anything to give after doing things earlier in the season and/or doing things for the Cmas kids, etc (that was started way back in October, if IIRC). I'm sorry your idea isnt taking off with as much participation as you had hoped, but that isnt right to judge others here as to why they may not be participating.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|17:08:21|12/10/2011| " You'll get what's coming to you ... Unless it was mailed." Why isn't food help an important need as christmas help was already given?
10|8|Emailing you|littlewolf|CCsuterlab@aol.com|16:07:59|12/10/2011| Have a couple of questions :O)
11|8|Because there ARE agencies who give food and emergency cash etc. There aren't many who do Christmas presents which they see as frivolous |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|16:08:38|12/10/2011| "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
16|9|she has exhausted local agency help for food|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:22:26|12/10/2011| There are also local help programs for christmas but those in need here weren't told to go local for that, for which I am grateful. The point being that using the "go local for help" excuse isn't valid when it isn't consistent on here across the board with help.
20|10|There are MANY MANY local and state level programs for food. There's also the good old thing of getting a job to get more money for food. I don't know the person or their circumstances. |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|16:30:22|12/10/2011| But I can tell you first hand I used to stay home with my kids. I loved it and I miss it. But things were always tight and it came a point in time where it was just time for me to get a part time job to help supplement our income. You can't rely on agencies forever at some point you have to take care of yourself. "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
25|11|Mom is unable to work and has not received much help locally|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:56:41|12/10/2011| Mom is quite ill and cannot work and feels bad that she can't work anymore. Due to circumstances, she does not qualify for much help locally. Again, the redtape and ridiculous paperwork, the hoops that the poor have to jump through are preventing her from getting the help she needs. She doesn't have other options and is most qualified for help from private individuals. All that is really needed to know is that there is a Mom out there who needs help to feed her family. Let's love her and do what we can.
12|8|I don't understand why you are lumping this in with Christmas help.....the Angel Kids have been done for awhile....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|16:09:01|12/10/2011| so because people donate towards angel kids, they should be obligated to donate to everything else?????
17|9|no, nobody is obligated |cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:25:45|12/10/2011| I did offer Shelly the chance to expand help efforts to other things but she never responded. So I thought, why not do it myself? She is already busy with christmas and I would be glad to do other things to help. I am not obligating anybody to help with this because they helped with christmas. I am saying that generally on this board, there are so many who want to help with christmas and I was wanting Shelly to endorse my efforts for seperate needs. I hope that makes sense. I figured she didn't want to do more than christmas and I completely understand so I wanted to do help throughout the year, only wanted her to encourage others to help my efforts as I have done the best to help hers.
13|8|I didn't take it personally because|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|16:09:54|12/10/2011| Posted on Dec-10-11 at 04:09 PM (Eastern) by 76.199.236.219 I can add to any auction I want to or dont' want to. It's not that I don't want to..It's that I can't help on all the auctions. SO whoever this auction is for... please don't feel like I don't care...because I do.. I care about everyone on here. AND I can guarantee you one thing..If I knew of someone that truly needs food..I will be glad to send them a box of food. just want to make sure you know that I didn't get the email...i'm not sure if it went to trash or what..but I would JUST NOT respond to anything Like I said, I just figured you weren't interested and after a few days of waiting for your reponse, I just thought I should do it myself. You already have enough on your plate with christmas help and I would gladly do other things. I didn't want to step on your toes because you are the one who does the christmas help so I thought it proper to contact you first to see if you wanted to do these things throughout the year. I figured you didn't want to do them so I was minded to do it myself. I hope that makes sense. :) I could really use your help getting the Network off the ground, this won't be a part of your christmas help at all. If you have suggestions or any thoughts, please email me. Thank you!
37|11|Here's what I don't understand....if you figured she wasn't interested...why did you post it on the board where she would |kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|17:43:57|12/10/2011| Posted on Dec-10-11 at 05:43 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68 obviously have to justify or defend herself????? If you figured she wasn't interested....then why not leave it alone? Why go further and post it on the site????
22|9|If my memory serves me right ( tho I maybe wrong) you posted that you don't do the Christmas thing ( tree and such) is that the reason you seem upset that people gave to that and not what you are doing now? |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|16:37:57|12/10/2011| so you know too that the shipping of gifts for Christmas is an option that the angel has to send it straight to the child or not Alot of angels don't do the whole list for a child and only a gift or two and those ae sent to Shelly and when all the gifts are gathered they are sent in 1 box and as for singleing Shelly out that was wrong as then she posted and had to explain on teh boartd as to why she isn't jumping on the band wagon to help with your auction you say you want to keep the family you are helping identity secret as to not imbaress them on teh board but yet you made it so Shelly had to explain herself as to her reason why For those who want to bid on the items you have in the auction will and those who do not want whats in it or can't bid won't it's simple
23|10|EXACTLY Tina.....that's exactly what I was trying to say.|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|16:42:05|12/10/2011| .
24|10|not at all, I help with christmas for others but don't participate myself|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:51:46|12/10/2011| I have no problem helping with christmas for other families, as I have. I just don't participate myself.
26|1|Why all of the arguing??? One of our RS members needs help!!!|littlewolf|CCsuterlab@aol.com|16:58:22|12/10/2011| Instead of arguing & fighting with each other, why not try to find ways to help the family needing help? Shelly, you commented that you would be the first person to help if you know that someone needs food. Why not email LaCinda and find out the person that needs help and help them? I know that you have done a lot with the Christmas angels this year AND I am not taking that away from you in any fashion. As for everyone else that is arguing, WHY argue about the fact that someone needs help? Remember the following words: gratefull for all that was done but I know I would not have felt any better more like worse if the person who was holding the auction posted the way she did making others feel bad about not adding or bidding and to keep saying I was poor it's lie a slap in the face She posted on here in a general manner that the auction was being held and that you can add or bid and what it was for and just like with any of the other auctionsheld in teh past for many different reasons if a person wants to add/bid they will noone should be put out there if they don't
30|3|Well put T. No one should be put on the spot. |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|17:11:15|12/10/2011| "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
31|3|perhaps I should clarify|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|17:24:19|12/10/2011| I am not trying to make anyone feel bad for not adding or bidding. I am simply pointing out that when it comes to christmas and Shelly's auctions, there are so many caring people who help. When I posted an auction for food, the help wasn't as much. The whole idea of my starting the network was spit on by some and I was quite shocked to see even one person who would be against it. It doesn't add up, the other efforts here by other members are encouraged and supported but mine aren't as much? Please don't be personally offended, it is not my intent at all, I am simply trying to point out what is clearly obvious. I am quite sure that my efforts are being hampered by behind the scenes comments and conversations and I really have no idea why. I did email Shelly a while back in November and waited a long time for her to respond and also helped with her christmas auctions. I wasn't sure what else to do about the situation and the need is very urgent and wanted to be sure you all knew how much this lady needs our help.
32|2|Nobody is disputing that someone needs help.....but the way Cinda is going about this is wrong.|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|17:29:14|12/10/2011| There is an auction on the auction board...those who want to and can help will. It really doesn't get much simpler than that. NOBODY should be called out...or have it insinuated they are uncaring because they are not.
35|3|I needed Shelly's help, the need is so urgent|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|17:39:59|12/10/2011| I never got an email and didn't know what else to do? The need is very urgent! I really did not know she didn't receive the email but now she has and I don't think she is offended at all. Shelly, if you are offended, my sincere apologies. I really needed your help and I thought my email wasn't welcome, just a misunderstanding. I know you care about helping and I am so very grateful for all that you do! :) Perhaps I should have emailed you again but I really thought it would be ignored, I'm sorry. I didn't want to step on your toes and you have way more experience so I wanted to offer you the opportunity to do the network (possibly with me?). I hope you understand.
33|2|I'm sorry, I disagree...Shelly is NO more obligated to dig deeper into her pockets than anyone else.....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|17:37:02|12/10/2011| this is ridiculous...I can't even believe after ALL Shelly has done that she should be expected to give even MORE.... If this person needs assistance with food...lets ask Lisa to find a source in her area......
36|3|all I truly needed from Shelly was support|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|17:43:37|12/10/2011| and I agree, she does a whole lot already! I completely understand if she can't do more, my goodness, yes. Instead of asking Shelly to add or bid, I should have simply kept it at asking for support and suggestions. My apologies!!! I just figured since I helped on her auction, she would help on mine, sorry!
34|1|Let me clatify about the op when you first bought up the idea I think the comments made then were about why some did not think it would work |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|17:39:21|12/10/2011| on an all year bases and it seems that maybe that shows a bit in the slow movement of the auction I have added to auctions in teh past but at the moment I have nothing to add I have bid on them too but at this point I can't do that and I am sure there are a host of others just like me doesn't mean we are mean spirited people it just isn't possible right now but by trying to guilt people into it isn't the way to go and yes you may have not meant to do it but the way you stated it wasn't right a more pleasant "check out the auction formy nre hlp network' may get more action rater then a " you gave to this one or that one why not what I am ding " approach
38|2|the auction isn't a yearly thing|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|17:49:52|12/10/2011| Those are two seperate efforts altogether. The auction is for a one-time help for food. The Help Network doesn't even start until January, this was something that couldn't wait until then. I so understand about not being able to help, that isn't at issue here at all. My question is merely this: Why is there so much support for other helping efforts and not for mine? I would honestly love to know why? If anyone has an idea, please let me know.
39|3|Because when you originally brought the help network up...it was an on going help effort.....and many felt that there were too many opportunities for misuse|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|17:54:05|12/10/2011| a hand up is different from a continual hand out... We as a board can offer a hand up on an occassional basis.... What you are proposing is a more continual basis...something many on the board are simply unable to provide.... Angel auctions are held throughout the year for many...... Those who want to support the help network can and will....those who can't or who won't shouldn't feel guilted.... This is a trading board....and many would like to trade and chat without being made to feel like a piece of crap because they can't donate to the help network...or who give to other causes. This is what rubbed me the wrong way.
40|4|Very well put Kelly|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|18:02:21|12/10/2011| "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
41|3|Ok here is the reason why I amnot bidding ( didn't wantto y it but you want to knmow ) the auction items are not that great at least not for me|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|18:20:21|12/10/2011| the"I ll add thise at this bid" seems to have jumped rather fast at least in my op again this is just my opinion since you asked
42|4|thank you for letting me know!|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|18:30:53|12/10/2011| Then it needs better adds to encourage bids, thank you so much for letting me know! :)
43|3|Cinda, I think you are taking this personally when it isnt anything to do with you at all....honestly. The timing is one thing that might be hindering some from pitching in (many of us have been helping with Cmas kids auctions since October, plus a couple other auctions in between, plus the Cmas kids, plus some other direct help that is given to those we need some help).....resources may just be exhausted for many. |saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|18:36:02|12/10/2011| " You'll get what's coming to you ... Unless it was mailed." Going by some of the comments here, I think more is involved than just not being able to help. I don't see many comments like "I wish I could help but I just can't right now", there are a few of those but not many. Most of the comments are "this is a bad idea", "they need a job", "tell them to go to a local agency". Along those lines. I don't recall seeing these types of comments about other helping efforts, seems to be only mine. Go figure.
47|5|Cinda, the Help Network isn't a Non Profit organization or an approved charity....for me, I like giving|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|19:07:38|12/10/2011| to organizations who have a history of helping who need it the most. No offense, but I don't know who is running the Help Network, how donations are allocated, what the criteria to receive is, or any of the like....there is just way too much unknown...and like I said, the ability to misuse it is too great.... If I'm going to get taken advantage of, I atleast want to be able to write it off on my taxes.
53|6|it is just me and this is why I set it up the way I did|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|19:40:50|12/10/2011| I never intend to be a 501c3 organization and no offense but if you require a receipt for tax purposes, I would rather you not participate. It is nothing personal, it is simply based on scripture that I feel this way and I must obey God in this matter, I hope you understand. I am trying my very best to keep this as private as possible so that I may obey God. Here are the scriptures that I keep in mind for this issue: Matthew 6 Luke 6
55|7|Cinda you are missing the point...I don't require a tax receipt...but the point is....there is only ONE person being the one making all the decisions...|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|19:48:14|12/10/2011| ONE person taking in the donations...with NO checks and balances...no accounting for what goes where, etc... I'm sorry, but this makes me uneasy and uncomfortable.... So while I do NOT require a receipt to help those in need, I DO require checks and balances and I don't feel that's been shown here. I'm sorry if you do not understand.
57|8|Do you see where this might be a problem for some???????????????????????????|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|19:55:10|12/10/2011| just handing over money with no accounting for who is receiving it, how much, etc???? Surely, you must see where that would be a problem for many?
58|8|there is also one person for the other auctions yes?|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|19:55:17|12/10/2011| Whoever holds the auction, be it Shelly, Kristy or others, are they not the one person who is taking the donation? What checks and balances do you have on others? Is there something I don't know? Are they a non-profit, registered 501c3? I have no idea? Do you?
59|9|No Cinda....but those adding and bidding USUALLY KNOW who the auction is for...etc...|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|19:56:17|12/10/2011| Posted on Dec-10-11 at 07:56 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68 like so and so has to pay a light bill, heat etc.....
62|10|I must obey God rather than man|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:01:11|12/10/2011| all I can say so I will not reveal the person's name unless they permit me to do so.
64|11|Then it is God you should be asking for donations from.|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:05:40|12/10/2011| I'm sorry Cinda...and while I respect your beliefs, it's not realistic to expect people to just hand over their hard earned money to one person to distribute as only they see fit.
60|9|Whenever I do an auction usually I have the paypal sent directly to the recipient AND the person is always known to the board. There is no secrecy who's getting the donation|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|19:56:51|12/10/2011| "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
61|10|Exactly...there's a HUGE difference ..|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|19:57:55|12/10/2011| .
63|10|I'll gladly send proof to any helper that the funds went directly to the person :)|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|20:04:28|12/10/2011| The help network I am doing and the auctions now and in the future will be done with respect to God's word and not how anyone else thinks they should be done or what has always been done, all I can say. If any helper would like proof that the donation went directly to the recipient, I would be most happy to provide that proof, no problem!! :)
65|11|So why would it be okay to tell the person AFTER the money was given and not before if discretion is what you are promoting???|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|20:06:43|12/10/2011| I'm not understanding.
66|10|YES, THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, WE DON'T NEED A MIDDLE MAN TO DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY TO.....|JOYHAPPYONE|DAIDOLA5@AOL.COM|20:51:42|12/10/2011| --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- I started watching your auction with intentions of bidding...but when the bid went to 50.00 in such a short time(with very minimal in there)...then i lost interest...there are some great adds..but heck..they do not add up to the 50.00 bid the way i value auctions. I do not have money to burn, but if i figure it to be close to an even amt in goods received for money spent..I will gladly bid. I did make a minimal contribution...i normally add more, but honestly am not around much right now....i posted last night cause i finally had some time to clear some stuff out... To those of us that run angel auctions or bid on them.....it has to be fair to our checkbooks....I know you are trying to not stigmatize whomever you are trying to help...and while that is all well and good....I know from past experience that posting who it is for is generally the way to go. I could be wrong, but i believe we have always stated whom it was for. It tends to garner a better response. I know you have a heart of gold, but i am a firm believer in teaching a person to fish...(this is in regards to your program you wish to start in jan).....i gladly help with the occasional hand up...but am not a hand out type...... As to Christmas...i did 6 kids between this board and another....WHY is that more important to me than food? As many have said there are agencies to help with that stuff.....we were poor....and Christmas was often the best day of our year when we were little....and i want it to be that way for others...
50|5|you're right, the value needs to be in there for sure|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|19:20:30|12/10/2011| I'm not entirely sure why that bidder jumped it up to 50 so fast, it does need to be a good value for the winner, I agree. I can't control who bids and how much, I'm sorry. And I only have so much to add in myself because I am also giving a walmart card to one person who adds in. Thank you so much for adding, I really appreciate it! You've helped a great deal and I am very thankful! :) I can't reveal the person's identity because I intend to leave that option up to the recipient and in this case, she would rather me not do that. I'm absolutely sure that if you all knew who it was then the auction would be very active. I am doing my very best to both help someone in need and maintain their dignity. I know it isn't usually done this way on the board but that is kinda my point, I want to do it a different way. I want to reduce the embarassment and obstacles those in need often deal with in these situations. If it helps at all, the lady cannot fish for herself due to being quite ill. I would have hoped that even though the person's name wasn't revealed, that I had some credibility on the board and my word was good enough. Thank you for your honest and kind comments and also for adding to the auction. :)
52|6|Cinda, to be honest, if this is such an urgent need....then honestly, the person could always post they are having it difficult...|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|19:26:00|12/10/2011| it's hard to give to a nameless person.....especially knowing there are some who have taken advantage in the past on the board. There's no shame in asking for help..... If this person needs such urgent assistance, they are doing themselves an injustice by not applying for assistance in their state...there are programs set up to help people in need. I know you think there is too much red tape and such, but in reality, if one needs help, they'll do whatever is necessary to get it....if they are not willing to file the paperwork necessary, then they must not need it as much as they claim. Also, Lisa is a wonderful source for finding people assistance......why not put this person in touch with Lisa to see if she knows of any resources in her area? This could help this person far more than a one time donation.
54|7|the lady has exhausted state and local programs|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|19:46:39|12/10/2011| The lady in need has already exhausted her local and state resources and they haven't helped much due to certain circumstances. Which is why she needs private help. All I can really say about it, sorry.
56|8|Then she doesn't need help bad enough. Sorry but if my kids were going hungry there is no pride there is nothing I wouldn't do or announce or ask. I would do whatever it took to take care of my family|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|19:49:04|12/10/2011| "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
46|4|I"m not the only one that has had auctions????|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|19:04:49|12/10/2011| AND I'm sorry, I didn't SUPPORT this auction...BUT I really don't need to justify why or why not..
48|5|Shelly could it be that Cinda, ask for your help since you had done so many and have the experience in doing auctions and that why she asked?? I was just wondering if this is a possiblity???|cashcoll|cashcoll@yahoo.com|19:12:49|12/10/2011| Have a Great Day! ********************************* GO HOGS GO!! And now i find myself defending myself because I didn't get the email.. Posted on Dec-10-11 at 07:22 PM (Eastern) by 108.12.177.152 I feel like the comments about 'disliking the poor' were about me. Maybe not and I'm just sensitive. But I have nothing against the poor. I'm all for helping and giving a hand up. Again not a hand out. I like to help when I know it's truly needed. I don't want to help those who refuse to help themselves or who take no initiative. I've been helped at times. I am still working on getting Christmas presents for my own children. I have done nothing for my extended family meaning my parents, grandparents, etc. I work part time plus have eight kids and a household to care for. I barely find time to cut, sort and use my own coupons. When we've done the angel auctions frankly the person who was in need has always come forth and the need has been plain for all to see. Though I may host them I'm not always the one whose idea it is to start one. One of a great many traders will email me and ask me to start as I like to run them, and keep them organized. It's way easier to get bids if what's in the auction is clearly listed for all to see. Edited to add: "Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 27 to GO!) "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out." - Steve Taylor
Subject: cinda68 from RS
From: LaCinda Brooks
To: jpksms@sbcglobal.net
sure it is very much appreciated. :) I thought of a few things while I was
reading your post and maybe these ideas will help?
wish it were so all year. I'm sure those same families and children will
need help in January too, summers without lunches from school, back to
school clothing needs, etc. And I know what you have taken on is so big
already but there might be a way to make it easier on you and help more
children, all year long.
possible help throughout the year? To make this possible and to lessen
your workload on this, you could contact all those that have helped in the
past years and the current year and ask them if they might be able to adopt
the family for the year. This would take some work and expense off of you
and help delegate it to many more helpers so that even more kids can be
helped. It wouldn't even have to cost anyone very much money, sometimes
all they might need are some coupons, some items that you got with a great
deal, etc. I know myself that even 5.00 means a lot some days, it meant
the difference between me having dinner on the table or nothing to eat for
the kids.
Even if you keep it as just for this time of year, I think letting the
helpers directly contact and ship the items to the families would make it
possible for more kids to be helped. And these things are best done
privately anyhow, to spare the dignity of the family being helped. Maybe
you could be a facilitator of the information and of course, your heart to
help the kids too and could focus on just a few kids yourself. Instead of
spreading yourself thin and feeling bad that you couldn't do it all, there
are so many ladies on RS that can and would help. It is a great thing that
you are doing and if more people were involved then many more families
could be helped.
way to help cut down on shipping costs would be to match helpers with
families that live in the same area. Let the helper directly drop off
items to the family that needs help. If it all possible, if they are in
the same area, what a huge savings this would be! And I'm sure it would be
so nice for the helper and family that is helped to actually talk in
person, to see the direct help they are giving and for the family that is
helped, to get a chance to properly thank the helper. I realize this would
be some work initially but after it was put in place it would just flow
easily. The helper would be a vital part in helping their own community
and would encourage them to do even more, with others in their area. It
could possibly grow into a local network in their communities and you just
never know how many people would be helped, not only now but in the future.
had a few thoughts and wanted to share those with you. I also wanted to
personally thank you for all that you do to help the children.
LaCinda
2|2|Didn't get it.. but read it now.|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|08:26:12|12/10/2011|
help and i know we have a lot of people that NEED help. It's a tough time for everyone.
I wish we could help everyone.
each town has something so that no one goes without food. I would think the salvation
army can help.
3|3|her local agencies didn't help much|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|15:21:55|12/10/2011|
7|7|you're right! I did encourage her to add and bid :)|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:01:03|12/10/2011|
8|7|christmas help was given and there was no problem?|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:03:20|12/10/2011|
I have personally done a lot. I have helped a lot of auctions..and it's not that I DON'T want to help out on this one..It's just
I've personally done so much that I CANT help everyone...I wish I could.. BUT it seems like there is always someone to help
and at some point and time...I just have to understand that I can't help everyone. AND for anyone adding to any auction at
any time it's your own WISH if you want to help out on any auction. I don't add to any auctions because of WHO holds it...I do it for the cause,
and IF I can help at the time I will.
AND I do know that wherever you are...You can always go to the Salvation Army to get help.. they will never turn any one away.
SO if you are that person..email me personally...and I will send you some food.
21|9|I didn't respond because I didn't get the email...|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|16:30:40|12/10/2011|
this important..
27|10|I should have resent it, ,sorry! I figured you got it and just weren't interested|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|17:05:18|12/10/2011|
"There but for the grace of the angels go I."
29|2|Not disputing the fact that someone needs help just about the way she posted putting Shelly outthere like that I myself was helped once by an angel auction and I was |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|17:09:03|12/10/2011|
44|4|Thank you but I do think there is more to it than that|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|19:02:24|12/10/2011|
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
IF YOU DON'T HEAR IT WITH YOUR OWN EARS, OR SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES, DON'T INVENT IT WITH YOUR SMALL BRAIN AND SHARE IT WITH YOUR BIG MOUTH
67|11|THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO GO UNDER KRISTY'S POST|JOYHAPPYONE|DAIDOLA5@AOL.COM|20:52:50|12/10/2011|
IF YOU DON'T HEAR IT WITH YOUR OWN EARS, OR SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES, DON'T INVENT IT WITH YOUR SMALL BRAIN AND SHARE IT WITH YOUR BIG MOUTH
45|4|Cinda....I am an avid bidder and adder?(is that a word?) to auctions....see inside|BusterBrown|srfreezerqueen@hotmail.com|19:04:31|12/10/2011|
HAS everyone else on this board...said why or why not they didn't ADD or didn't BID?
WHY WAS I Called out??? I'm not the only one that has held auctions?? AM I...???
I don't know why I was singled out?? PERHAPS YOU COULD HAVE STATED? shelly did you get my email on the board>
AND then i would have seen it...
Cinda...did you contact everyone else that has held auctions for others? Did you PUBLICLY post it
on the board that they didn't respond? I didn't get your email....
I"m really upset over this....and I don't know why. I'm not responsible for having any auctions,
for adding to any auctions or anything else. I'm not in any "CLICKS" AND I don't think anyone
elses NEEDS are more important then anyone elses..I do what I can on the board..in my personal life as I can.
AND for anyone that added or bid on the auctions I had.. TO HELP THE KIDS ON THE BOARD..NOT ME..NOT PERONALLY FOR ME
BUT I DON'T Want to feel that I owe anyone anything.
How do I spread the word to the people bidding? It's already on the board.. there is no one here that I personally
write too regarding any of the auctions??
I really don't know what I could have done to support this auction? Just because I didn't add to it? No one can
support everything....and no one can add to every auction....
My name doesn't carry any more weight then yours or anyone else. So i'm sorry that you feel that I let this auction down?
That I didn't support it? AND I'm not going to email anyone...BUT if you are in need of help..feel free to email me anytime
and I will see what I can do to help. You will also NOTE that on many occasion people have posted to the board.. SHELLYSMSO
did you get my emails...?? I see it on the board..and then I respond.
Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooiee!
49|6|I'm sure that is it.. BUT I didn't get the email...|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|19:17:52|12/10/2011|
AND even if I did..I don't think I'm obligated to donate...geez.
51|6|I host almost all of the angel auctions with the exception of shelly's christmas ones and even those I've helped on|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|19:22:15|12/10/2011|
Usually the person who is in need adds whatever they can to increase the bid as well. And they often pay it forward in auctions some time later that year or the next.