We are still trying to figure out what are going to do with our house/move/sell/live in a tent, etc. We have a serious interest in a house (well, really the land where the house happens to be standing) and the listing agent is sorta being condescending so I am having trouble asking questions. The home has a septic system and well ("existing") and I was inquiring about their age/condition etc. The agent says the house is currently vacant so the condition of the well and septic is unknown and as-is... BUT the "Sewer runs through XYZ township side of the property but no sewer rights convey. Sewer rights would have to be purchased at township"
What does this mean? lol I am clueless and taking it to mean we could pay to have sewer pipes run to the house and then receive service from the township... but what does purchase the sewer rights mean?
MANY MILLIONS OF THANKS if anyone can help :)
Shel 1|1|Is the property bordered by two townships? (M)|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|16:09:22|02/01/2011|
and is there actual property ( doesn't matter what size a piece it is) betwen the property line of the house and the rd? I belive that it means you would have to "buy" the tight to have the pipes cross what property it needs to to get to where they need to be lwim? lol 2|1|If the well & septic are exsisting, then there|driller|harj@frontier.com|16:13:35|02/01/2011|
should not be a problem if you purchase as is. Which means you would not have to hook up to the sewer rights available~
Here in Michigan, as long as it is existing you do not have to hook up to any utilities including water and/or sewer.
But, if you were to tear the house down, that would be a whole different ball game. There would be many restictions
that you would not have if the house is standing.
Recommend someone to check out the septic and well. Sometimes, it is no more than just sticking a prode in the ground
for the septic and running fausetts to see if the water drains properly. As far as the well, there is really no way
to tell, other than go by the age of the well, which you should be able to obtain a well log, which you can get at
your local health dept, or environmental health dept. As a well driller, only thing I would do, is run an amp draw
on the pump, run all the fausetts, and see if the pump keeps up with the well when it comes on. Other than taking the
well cap off, really not alot to check.~ Me , I would also taste the water to make sure it doesn`t have salt taste
or gas.
Usually when a well & septic haven`t been used in a while, they do have their issues when starting them back up.
Mainly the well. Due to the fact, it builds mineral, iron up quicker if not in use. Alot of the time I have to
actually pull the pump , go to the bottom of the well and actually ream the casing then blow all the iron, minerals
out. This usaully helps the life of the well and should be done at least once every 10 to 12 years. Is called re developing
the formation. What ever you do, do not put chlorine in a well that has been sitting or has not been worked on in
over 4 to 5 years. Will probably plug / suck the pump full of iron, then you will be looking at cost of replacing the
pump. The health dept here, is good at telling people to do this, then I get a call saying they don`t have any water. DUH
Just remember that if it is existing they have to work with you , if you purchase and do have problems with either
the septic and/or water well. The well to me is minor , only because I am a licensed water well driller. :)
You may also want to check to see if it is a raised field for the septic, which means it was poor soil and had to
put in a extra pump to pump the water up and into the septic field.
Any township restrictions can ALWAYS be over rided by going to the STATE. State restrictions are usually different
than the townships. At least here in MI.
I hope this helps. ??
~Judy in MI~ :) If you have any questions about water wells, or pumps feel free to email me. Would be more than
happy to answer any questions you may have. Good luck on the purchase.
4|2|VERY helpful.... Thanks !!!|couponshelmd|couponshel@comcast.net|16:37:46|02/01/2011|
teener, first, I don't know how, but you read something important in the agent's response.. the property DOES sit on two different TOWNSHIPS. that was never disclosed until I looked into the sewer and wanted to look at the layout of the property etc. So it does seem like it would be getting service from one township while the house itself is currently in a different township.
Driller, you are an AMAZING wealth of information!! We would be looking into removing the entire existing house and did not want to rely on the existing well and septic (with a drain field) IF the public water/sewer was available... just due to the age of the well and septic and the very fact, as you said, that they have been sitting unused. You are very kind to take the time to reply!
Overall, it looks more complicated than what we can do right now; it would take a lot more planning and patience than I have at this point in my life, ha ha... especially since we will need to focus on selling our home first. The property for sale has been on the market for a long time and the price has gone down $75,000 over the past two years, I think just due to the home on the property not being marketable.
You guys ROCK :)
Thanks
Shel
5|3|Put it this way, it will continue to keep going down andf if you really want it down the road when you have the time and resources at the same time to deal with it that would be when. It will only be an income drain rather than a faucet bringing positive flow in or preventing flow to someone else as in rent. it will be complicated and like I said houses in limbo suck. My first and second purchases have been in limbo for 10 years. Learned form those really fast! And always do a title search! Take noone's word.|wegogo|mike15461@gmail.com|16:46:19|02/01/2011|
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3|1|The first problem is|wegogo|mike15461@gmail.com|16:27:44|02/01/2011|
The listing agent. Its probably not a house that she is going to make alot of commission on and feels like its not worth her effort. But once you commit to an agent the sale if made is hers/his and another isn't allowwed to mess with it unless she is willing to share her commission. If you are planning on using the water and septic there you need to have it tested. I would go about seeing if it is still permitted to be used or if it is mandatory to switch to city sewage. Some places do, some places don't. Is it bank owned? As in foreclosure or bad history with original buyer? That will make a difference. You have less action room with a bank. They are more or less take it or leave it. They don't care about anything but getting the money and getting it out of their hair if its bank owned. Though price may be a little moveable. If it is bank owned and you want to use these systems you may propose they pay for the testing to make the sale.. You never know. You may get lucky. If it was through a seller and you truly are interested you can propose getting the water poundage of pressure and potability tested and also the sewage to see if its a leech bed or sand mound and fullness. Tell them you will pay if it passes and you will take the house. If not they should pay. If you choose the septic you will be self contained and won't need to worry about rights to sewage you aren't using. If you don't have sand mound or leech bed unless you want to get the permits to have it done you are left with buying the rights to the ability to put your pipes from their system and pay their monthly bills. This is if the ground the pipes are on/to be on belongs to only the township. Normally if it is township it would be direct on their property not crossing someone else's. If these cross someone else's then that's another person to deal with. may go fine but don't know til you ask if they are local and accessible. If not then I would pick another place unless you just can't live without it you will have to find a way. Do ask every question you are unsure of as many times as it takes to get an answer. This is your money and you have worked hard for it. And it is you that has to deal with everything after the purchase. She just goes on to another person. If she is an indepemdent agent it could be a pain. If she is employed by an agency and doesn't make you feel confident that you know all you need to know then go to a higher up. If you have any doubts you can't resolve don't do it. It sucks to have houses in limbo you can't do anything with and complications to sell if you want out of a less than optimal situation. It also helps to have an agent of your own aiding you (if you aren't real estate experience or until you are) rather than the person selling the house because their first priorty is to gain for the seller and protect them. Not you. Hope I have helped. Real estate was on of my things before I became too unhealthy to do it in the volume I wanted so I downsized.
>Posted on Feb-01-11 at 03:22 PM (Eastern)
>by 174.54.82.253We are still trying to
>figure out what are going to
>do with our house/move/sell/live in a
>tent, etc. We have a
>serious interest in a house (well,
>really the land where the house
>happens to be standing) and the
>listing agent is sorta being condescending
>so I am having trouble asking
>questions. The home has a
>septic system and well ("existing") and
>I was inquiring about their age/condition
>etc. The agent says the
>house is currently vacant so the
>condition of the well and septic
>is unknown and as-is... BUT the
>"Sewer runs through XYZ township side
>of the property but no sewer
>rights convey. Sewer rights would have
>to be purchased at township"
>What does this mean? lol I am
>clueless and taking it to mean
>we could pay to have sewer
>pipes run to the house and
>then receive service from the township...
>but what does purchase the sewer
>rights mean?
>MANY MILLIONS OF THANKS if anyone can
>help :)
>Shel
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6|1|Shel, If you do decide to take on the task, |driller|harj@frontier.com|16:57:26|02/01/2011|
just remember, that once the house is tore down, you are looking at alot more money to be put out
as far as hooking up both to water and/or sewer. Usuaully once the sewer is hooked up, then they
come back and say you have to hook up to their water, due to the fact, you are dumping too much
water in their sewer.
Added up what it would cost to hook up and monthly payment for water alone, you can have a new
well every two years, for the price they will charge combined monthly and total hook up charge.
Around here, according to the area , how populated it is, will cost from $5,000 to $25,000 just to
hook up to the water supply, not including the monthly fees. YUKKKK No way Jose. I will keep
both my well & septic. Money is too hard to come by to just spend that much.
So overall, be looking at huge bucks, if you are planning on tearing down the house.
Actually depends of whether or not the well is up to code. What I mean is, is it a four inch steel
or five inch pvc well. If it is a two inch well, and has a pitless adaptor , which means you can
actually see the top of the well sticking out of the ground. You would have to measure the diameter
of the well, to know whether or not it has a pitless on it. Mostly all states are going with having
the pitless. Is only a precautionary measure to insure you do not get comtamination.
But my experience with any city, townships are: They do not care about you, only the money. And
the water , they put alot of different chemicals in it, which are not good to drink~~
I have seen many cities and twsps both, that have contaminated the surrounding water wells, just
to get people to hook up to their utilities. Is very wrong, but being a licensed well driller,
really can`t do much about it other than just warn people in advance. :(
I do not drink any city or township water. I will die of thrust first. :)
Sorry for the long post here. Thanks also for the complaiment
~Judy in MI~ 7|2|Thanks Judy!|couponshelmd|couponshel@comcast.net|17:04:03|02/01/2011|
There is a lot of "food for thought" even as we explore other properties, especially now that I found out about this one stretching over two townships... it is a good deal for someone else :) 8|3|sounds like I would pass on it myself. :)|driller|harj@frontier.com|17:23:49|02/01/2011|
Only one other item that would be an added expense, is that both the septic and well would have to
be abandoned.
Here in MI, to abaondon the old well, you have to get a licensed water well driller to do that, which
depends on how deep the well is. What is involved, you would have to pull the pump out of the well
and then fill up to top with approved materials. Now, if it is rock hole, sandstone or shale, then
the cost would be even higher to abondon, due to the fact that it has to be filled up to top with
concrete, which is not cheap. They want this so in the years to come it will not contaminate other
areas.
As far as the septic, as far as I know , anyone can abandon that . Usually you have to have paperwork
showing the environmentel health, who abandoned, both. So more money down the tubes.
I have seen wells only 10 years old, (areas that are not good areas of formation) and then I have
seen wells over 50 years old still working. Just depends on the soil , formation, who drilled it, etc.
And most of all , the regular maintance.
Septics are the same. Some may only last 15 years and then some last forever , on & on. Just depends
again on how often they are maintained.
~Judy in MI~ Sorry for such a long post
9|4|Thank God she doesn't own it! The more we think the more it costs! :-)|wegogo|mike15461@gmail.com|17:51:33|02/01/2011|
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