16|2|Are you sure they don't mean MEMBERS?|sneakers1234|ross417@msn.com|15:50:18|09/21/2010|We have been memebers for 3yr at our church we as a congregation pay the preacher and provide his home utilitys etc Well our current pastor is leaving to a new church and we were told that only tiding memebers will get to vote for a new pastor at our old church we gave offering and where my dh is disabled we never can give a whole a lot so i never wrote checks so i have no record of tiding at church this bothers me because it seems like the only want to make sure u count is a check they can cash would this bother u? I help at all the church functions bake sales etc etc even teach on wed nights and my dh cuts the weeds i know i am supposed to give 10% of our income but i dont and i dont think most people do but it hurts to think that because we dont give and have a record of it that we dont count :( and when we had that last flood not a single person called us to ask if we were ok i know part of this is the devils work but i cant help feeling like i mean nothing to them
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1|1|Sounds like you are going to the wrong church if they practiced what they preach they would care about everyone jmo|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|14:43:48|09/19/2010|
>Posted on Sep-19-10 at 02:11 PM (Eastern)
>by 65.5.248.197We have been memebers for
>3yr at our church we as
>a congregation pay the preacher and
>provide his home utilitys etc Well
>our current pastor is leaving to
>a new church and we were
>told that only tiding memebers will
>get to vote for a new
>pastor at our old church we
>gave offering and where my dh
>is disabled we never can give
>a whole a lot so i
>never wrote checks so i have
>no record of tiding at church
>this bothers me because it seems
>like the only want to make
>sure u count is a check
>they can cash would this bother
>u? I help at all the
>church functions bake sales etc etc
>even teach on wed nights and
>my dh cuts the weeds i
>know i am supposed to give
>10% of our income but i
>dont and i dont think most
>people do but it hurts to
>think that because we dont give
>and have a record of it
>that we dont count :( and
>when we had that last flood
>not a single person called us
>to ask if we were ok
>i know part of this is
>the devils work but i cant
>help feeling like i mean nothing
>to them
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3|2|Bible verse that may help...|Sara_s_Mom|IClipCoupons@gmail.com|15:04:54|09/19/2010|
Try Matthew 6:2: "Therefore when you do your alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Truly I say to you, They have their reward. 3 But when you do alms, let not your left hand know what your right hand does: 4 That your alms may be in secret: and your Father which sees in secret himself shall reward you openly."
There should be no distinction between those who openly tithe and those who stick what they can in the basket. I think that opening voting up only to those who they know tithe means that their right hand is knowing what the left hand is doing ;) It's supposed to be secret so God knows, not so the whole congregation does and saying you can't vote if you don't tithe means that they are sounding the trumpet!
I could see *maybe* if you voted based on whether or not you were registered with the church or not. But many people sit in and travel through. I'd bet most of those people wouldn't vote anyway.
Hope this helps. I think it is wrong of them to be that way.
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2|1|Im not sure how to see this...I totally understand your feelings but I know how important tithing is....I just cant honestly say its something that should be held against ANY church member|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|15:01:49|09/19/2010|
The ministry should teach on the biblical principals of tithing BUT the person who for whatever reason chooses to or not to do it is between them and God. Just doesnt sound right that exclusion from anything is done specifically because of tithing and actually announced as such....
No judgement against the ones making this choice, Im on the outside looking in so my thinking is partial...just MHO based on the info I have...
4|1|Just want to add that your time is worth something too - tithing is more than just money. Time and talent count too. If you can't give a lot of money, but have the time, you are not not tithing. KWIM? Our church calls it the 3 T's -- Time, Talent and Treasure. Some have lots of money to give, but no time. Others are cash poor, but the first ones to step up to the plate at a bake sale, clean the church, mow the lawn, et.c. etc.|Sara_s_Mom|IClipCoupons@gmail.com|15:08:35|09/19/2010|
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6|1|I don't believe you should be shunned in any way and I think alot of people do give 10% but that's between them and God.|cjdj|Lintaos@optonline.net|11:10:58|09/20/2010|
When I was new in the Lord, I gave whatever..thinking I was doing God a favor or something. When actually I was robbing God but never thought of it like that. We watched a sermon a couple of weeks ago on T.V. and he had ten dollar bills in his hand.. he counted nine and put one on the side. He said God wants me to have these (9) and He only wants this one (1) but when it comes to seeing hundreds and thousands of dollars and wanting 10% then it becomes an issue. I was cracking up! Convicted of my past..
I personally would sit down w/your pastor. No one should know what anyone is giving except God. If we all aired our laundry, not one of us would come up clean.... We need to keep our walk between us and God and not worry about what other's are doing or giving. God gives us all an outline to follow. It's up to us to choose it or not...(free will)
Carol
I struggle w/submission. 7|1|That's why so many people are moving away from the church|dragonmom|sueedelmann@yahoo.com|18:37:10|09/20/2010|
These days, it all seems to be about the money. We joined a church that had just had a new church built, and after a year, I got a letter that said that based on my contributions each week, the church had determined that I should send them $7500 for the building fund, here's an envelope to bring to the next mass. They sent me that letter every week for 4 months. I wasn't even a member when the building was decided on and completed, it was about a year old when we joined.
Then they informed me that I didn't contribute enough to be considered an active parishioner, so my kids' faith class fees were doubled to $350 per kid! I couldn't afford that! So we switched to another church nearby that had lower fees and didn't care that I just joined, I got the member rate.
But those have been going up, it's now $250 for the class, and I barely scraped that together, now they want me to volunteer to help at every class or pay an additional $100 non-participation fee. It is on Mondays when I do chemo, and I can't handle it, nor can I scrape up another $100. So if they won't waive this fee, my son won't be going, I will get a refund on the $250 I paid and use it on my medical bills instead. And if he doesn't do class this year, he can't be confirmed next year, it is a two year program. I was already trying to figure out how we can do all these extra retreats and seminars they have for kids making a sacrament (just went through it 2 years ago with my older son). Guess I have to hope we gave him enough background that when he is an adult he will do it on his own.
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8|2|Um, when I was a kid, Sunday school was free....I can see a nominal fee for supplies, but honestly....what about people that just dont have that money? Do they get kicked out? I am not a member of any church, I dont care for organized religion, and the focus on money is just one reason.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|19:02:33|09/20/2010|
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9|3|The almighty dollar is taking over alot of churches these days, I miss the old time religon days. You went to church Sundays, in the summer you had a church picnic, Christmas time you watched a pagant and had a party. We didnt support our preachers in the way they do today. We gave what we could and no one spoke about tithing 10%. |QponFreebieQueen|QponFreebieQueen@gmail.com|19:41:44|09/20/2010|
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12|2|Very true Sue,.....|Sharon|corvettelady@lavabit.com|22:46:57|09/20/2010|
One of my friends in NJ told me 2 years ago in her town, a new Catholic church was built triple the size of previous church and when she received a letter stating that if she could not come up with $2,000, she was no longer a member!! Every family also received this letter. I was shocked to say the least. Who can afford this kind of money when many are struggling with their finances & keeping food on the table? I don't know how the church is doing now as I'm sure it has a lot of bills. I just find this so appalling when folks who go to church will contribute whatever they can within their means which is the way it should be. 10|1|It sounds to me too like you should .....|melpaul|Melpaul199@aol.com|19:51:07|09/20/2010|
Look into another church I know that sounds so harsh I dont mean to be like that for I know what it means to belong to a church By the way your talking no one came out or even called to help you when you needed it
This is only my opinion I know your suppose to give 10% to church but only if you have the means The church and the members are suppose to be there for you when you need them and understand when you cannot give I am not saying this is your case If you have a feeling in your heart that what there doing is wrong I would speak up to someone if that can be done if not I truly would look for another church that would except me for who I am and what I contribute
wow I hope I didnt offend anyone by this mu opinion 13|2|Tithing was an Old Testamnet commandment, but the new Testament actually says to give as you have been prospered in your heart upon the first day of every week. 1Cor 16:2|eecwz|eecwz1@gmail.com |00:40:15|09/21/2010|
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
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14|1|IMO... Wow - I am shocked that as a member you would not be able to vote...|anothershopper2|ejw14@hotmail.com|01:21:27|09/21/2010|
I'm not sure what denomination or type of church you attend, but I go to a non-denominational one and the ones that I have been in the past basically followed the same principles. All members of the church (regardless of individual tithing) would vote in a case like pastoral selection. One has to be a member, and not a visitor or non-member, but it has nothing to do with tithing. Although I think the pastoral finding process is pretty complicated. So I'm kinda simplifying it here. I agree with Sara, tithing is a biblical principle and I do believe that we are blessed many fold when we tithe with a giving heart. Some people are super strict with the 10% - but even at our church (which is really not wealthy at all, monetary wise), we have people with money and we have people who don't. The church has always stressed that people give according to what they feel God has lead them to do. They do always challenge us (with the building fund, with giving to our community food program, our free medical clinic etc etc and regular tithes) but I don't ever feel pressured to have to give.
If I were you, I would also be a little upset as well. Is there anyone on leadership that you can talk to? Did they give a really good explanation for deciding on that? 15|1|Gwen, is|zombietoo|littlejadensmom@juno.com|01:47:59|09/21/2010|
this a Pentecostal church? Just curious as to what the denomination is. I think tithing may be a commandment of certain denominations and/or certain churches. Some churches send out numbered offering envelopes with the member's return address printed on them. Jesus does not ask one to tithe. Money is required to spread the gospel which is a command from Jesus. The bible is specific on how to give, what to give, how money is to be used, but not how much to give. The bible also teaches about not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing. Gwen, go with your heart. It sounds like it's already leading you the right way
16|2|Are you sure they don't mean MEMBERS?|sneakers1234|ross417@msn.com|15:50:18|09/21/2010|
Did you go thru the actual membership class or you have attended there 3 years?
the vote should be for members. tithing or not. 17|3|UPDATE|gwens29|gwen41539@bellsouth.net|17:08:54|09/21/2010|
MY CHURCH IS PENTACOSTAL CHURCH OF GOD our home office is in lexington ky we have a new pastor voted in last sunday by everyone that was a memeber.. the old pastor was taking 3.000 a month from us as salary not to mention we paid all his living expenses. I think he knew that the church was failing and also needed repairs like new ac and flooring etc and saw that we would never be out of the hole with paying him so much. So the new pastor is a current member and i think he will not take 3,000 maybe a part of it or nothing at all as his salary we all like him very much so this should work out for us We are looking into other churches DH was taught not to pay for the word of God he thinks if they are in it for a salary then their heart isnt in it, he understands needing a place to live and food etc but paying someone a weekly salary and providing the housing and pay all the utilitys isnt good. anyways thanks everyone for the understanding i love u all im glad to be apart of this family :)
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19|4|Glad to see your update Gwen...|sunriver|sunriver@gmail.com|17:21:51|09/21/2010|
I can see a pastor earning something aside from basic expenses being paid (mainly because I spent about a year as a completely unpaid full time almost live in volunteer at a charity) and think that when someone gives their time so freely they should walk away with a little stipend to keep them going until their next calling, but think that 30K is pretty hard for a lot of smaller churches to come up with. It sounds like you have someone who will work out better and I wish you luck in finding a place to worship that fits you and your family.
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