For example if the person can no longer live anywhere near a normal eating, breathing, moving, type of existence but their brain was still functional? I'd love to hear your opinions on this.
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http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/28.html 1|1|I do believe that suicide is not only a sin, but the most wrong thing you can do to those who love you.....if you love your family and friends, there is no way on earth you'd want to hurt them like that (collective 'you', that could be anyone). |saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:05:47|08/11/2010|
Posted on Aug-11-10 at 09:05 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.152.11
As for the sin part, taking a life, even your own is against God's commandment. As much suffering as I've seen as a nurse, and as much as I know some of those poor souls just wanted it to be over, I still cannot believe that it's ok to take a life, even if it's your own.
" You'll get what's coming to you ... Unless it was mailed."
2|2|It breaks my heart to hear this because.....|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|21:14:34|08/11/2010|
I know how much pain my dad is in at times...and he always says, " I don't want to live like this"... AND when I hear that.. my heart breaks over and over...
I want to grab him and tell him, that we all love him so much...and I don't know what I'd do without him. a few years ago a neighbor had bad health and he
went into the woods and killed himself...I always thought about my dad when he would be out mowing the back yard near the woods...AND I hoped
and prayed that he would never get that desperate. I know how much pain he goes thru... BUT I go thru the same pain, just thinking of what pain he goes thru.
This is a very tough subject for me to even respond to...it actually breaks my heart. There is so much death today, people "taking" others life over money, etc.
I know it's off topic... AND to try and see things in the way of thinking about suicide because of a health reason is so touchy. We have to take life day by day, step by step,
breath by breath....AND all I know is that I hope and pray that all those that I love will have those days, take those steps, and take those breathes for a very long time.
I just think that you would have to be so desperate to take your own life...AND every time I see it in the paper, hear it in the news, I always stop and think..how lonely that person
must have been...and if only, someone would have called, someone would have been there...etc. I could go on and on....SIGH.....life is sad enough and to think of someone you love,
someone you care about, someone you don't even know....to be so desperate to take their own life hurts my heart. : (
3|3|beautifully said, Shelly....Yes, I watched my dad suffer through his cancer, and my SIL.....as much as I wanted peace for them towards the end, I was so grateful for evey day, every moment that I had left with them, and knowing that they were going home to their eternal reward was comforting to everyone.....it is hard to suffer, or to watch your loved ones suffer, but it is not for us to question God's plan....|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:22:05|08/11/2010|
" You'll get what's coming to you ... Unless it was mailed."
4|4|((SIGH)) AND something for everyone to know here:|shellysmsmo|jpksms@sbcglobal.net|21:29:32|08/11/2010|
I hope that you will never feel that you are alone.....and if you ever need someone to talk to...regardless what time of day..I hope that you will
come on here, go online and find "a friend".....I'm sure you will always find someone..I know that I will always be here to talk to anyone
that needs a friend.... SIGH....I'm emotional tonight....I need some MEAN pills...LOL NAH really.... I'm just saying.....I don't care who
you are....someone will always be here for you!!! Hugs to all my online friends!!!
9|5|Absolutely, Shelly! We are here for each other.....|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|22:13:42|08/11/2010|
" You'll get what's coming to you ... Unless it was mailed."
10|6|I 3rd that! :)|maraj|maraj64@hotmail.com|22:16:16|08/11/2010|
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5|1|Odd timing(more inside)|dlpavitt|dlpavitt@att.net|21:38:20|08/11/2010|
Those of you who follow facebook know I posted about the anniversary of my brother Lenny"s passing 19 years ago, on Monday. Lenny took his own life. 19 years later my family still isn't the same. My Mother still cannot sleep. My Father still blames himself. My brother blames himself for not doing more. I who was away at school at the time, still mourn his loss, and watch my my family suffer, year after year.
That being said, I think Shelly put it in a way, that is perfect. I would never be able to put itto words.
Do not get me wrong, I very much see both points of view on this, however, I think suicide has a devestating effect on your loved ones, and this should be considered in depth. I know my life has not, and will not ever be the same.
Just my thoughts speaking from experience, that I hope to God, none of you ever have to experience. Donna
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6|1|let me say that im not sure it's a 'sin' per se, but...|noway|bargainhuntress23@yahoo.com|21:56:40|08/11/2010|
I'm not sure your afterlife would look too favorably upon checking out on your own. Some things should be left to nature, you know what I mean? There are lots of things to live for and no matter how bleak things look, people love and care for you. 7|2|Shelly...well said....have had 2 close take the easy way..for much less of a valid reason...|BusterBrown|srfreezerqueen@hotmail.com|22:07:57|08/11/2010|
my brother who had aids was listed as an overdose...never declared a suicide...but judging by his life.....
one of my high school sweethearts took his life after we graduated...i was at college when the state police came to ask me questions about where he might be when he went missing...to this day, i wish i could have been there for him..he was upset that he hadn;t had the gas to give a good friend a ride...that friend was riding his bike to tell his mom he had asked his girl to marry him...Kieth really took it hard...we just never realized how hard. His older brother found his body months later in the woods behind his parents house...totally changed my ways for a while due to having a hard time dealing with it....he was and will always be one of my favorites....
so whether your question was hypothetical or for someone you know....sin or not, it is those that are left behind that are not ever the same...it is haunting...Jodie 8|1|Yes, as it is destroying God's temple.....|maraj|maraj64@hotmail.com|22:10:09|08/11/2010|
Our bodies are God's temples which provide a temporary earthly/human home to our souls til God calls our souls back to His home in Heaven, in His own time. To purposely bring harm to God's temple is a sin, whether it's harm we inflict upon ourselves or to others.
I totally agree w/Joy & Shelly & completely understand where they & you are coming from. When someone commits suicide, he/she leaves behind SO much heartache, confusion & SO many unanswered questions w/those they love & w/those who love him/her.
Imagine your grandchildren living the rest of their lives wondering why the grandma they came to love so much didn't love them enough to want to stay alive anymore. Imagine your children/grandchildren feeling guilt & sorrow for the rest of their lives wondering what terrible thing they said or did wrong to make you want to leave them forever. Imagine your grandchildren growing up w/the inability to get close to another person again for fear that person will also eventually kill him/herself. These are just some examples of the kind of unending agony & heartbreak that family & friends are left to endure for the rest of their own lives when a loved one commits suicide. There is no peace & no closure because the questions of WHY are forever tormenting them.
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11|2|Suicide is only a "sin" if...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|01:41:09|08/12/2010|
it goes against people's religious beliefs. Suicides occur for a variety of reasons, and to say that people who take their own lives have taken the "easy way" out, is sadly misinformed. In some Asian nations, the act of suicide is considered an honorable decision as a form of self-punishment to save face and not dishonor family.
I fully support voluntary euthanasia when it comes to people who are terminally ill who feel they can no longer live a life of pain from a terminal illness or other condition. It should always remain voluntary, and I fear that if more states adopt euthanasia laws, these laws could be abused and used involuntarily. However, that is not a valid reason, IMO, to not legalize voluntary euthanasia. For those adults who wish to take their own lives because of broken hearts, personal sense of failure, or who are simply tired of life...these people should be provided therapy in an effort to keep them from killing themselves. The youth should receive the most help. Teen suicide is very high, and I am always saddened whenever I hear or read of a youth who thinks that they have no other option other than suicide.
But I don't hold onto some religious notion that committing suicide is a mortal sin of some sort. 12|1|Often a person who is suicidal|missy|lovetotrade@hotmail.com|06:05:06|08/12/2010|
feels that they have NO HOPE. They can also feel like no one understands or cares. They need intervention by loving caring family and friends, and medical treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts.
BUT, having said this, in the case of someone who is suffering from a terminal illness or unbearable pain, there often really is NO hope. I feel that there should be some legal means for them to end their suffering without the "disgrace".
Others have mentioned how devastating suicide can be for family and friends of the departed person. This is most certainly true, but only because of the question WHY. WHY would this person choose to leave, when you love them??
Surely in the case of a medical reason, where there is really NO hope, the family should be understanding and supportive of the dying person. In many cases, the pre-planned departure would be a blessing to family who have been devastated by watching the decline of their loved one.
Our duty is not to JUDGE. That is only God's domain. He is the Creator. He may in fact be giving the person a way out, when earthly medicine fails. Who can say? Maybe this too is part of His plan.
Just one more thing: as the incredible advances in medicine, now and in the future, will allow the prolonging of life, by artificial means, indefinitely, more and more of us are going to have to answer the question posed in the OP for ourselves!
HTH
Kathryn 13|1|I believe that if the person's God is all-forgiving............ that's EXACTLY what it means......... ALL-forgiving.|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|07:24:53|08/12/2010|
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14|2|As someone who has really thought about it, here is my thoughts|mo6g02|crazylady47952@yahoo.com|10:44:11|08/12/2010|
I've been so miserable & had so many things happen that it just over whelmed me to the point of really thinking of it. Scary I know, but it had gotten that far. I've almost given everything up that has meant anything to me, my marriage is a joke, my life is a miserable rut & on & on. But when it came down to it, I couldn't do this to my parent's, kids & grandkids. I can really understand how someone can do this, especially if you are really sick. But I'd hope that they would talk to their family so it wouldn't be such a shock. So I guess I'm saying, if someone really feels the need to do this, then as his family or whatever if you know they are thinking of it, you need to talk to them, you need to know that they did it or was thinking of doing it not because they didn't love you but because they just couldn't face life anymore in the shape that they are in. When you look at it in this light maybe it could be accepted. Let me tell you, I'm fighting hard to keep from falling in the deepest emotional hole that I've ever been in & I've been in some deep ones before. Don't tell me to get help & medication, been there & never had any luck with them, just something I have to fight myself. I know I'm strong & I know I will make it, but someone else might not. It's a long deep black hole that you just can't see any way out of, trust me, you can't see any end, you can't see any other way but just get it over with. You just don't see any other way to go but out, it looks like the perfect way to end things, the last thing on your mind is not your loved ones or whether or not it's considered a sin, you just see a way out. When you get this far, it's so bad, you don't see anything but an ending to a black hole. I hope this makes sense to anyone reading this, I pray whoever this is doesn't do it, for the families sake but if so I pray that the family can forgive.
onna
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17|2|If u call the suicide line they will immediately trace your call & call in police|mo6g02|crazylady47952@yahoo.com|11:02:17|08/12/2010|
So if u just need to talk beware of calling these lines. They are there to prevent this & they will call them, I know, I worked for them as a volunteer.
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16|1|I'm sitting here with tears over-flowing~~~~~~~~~|suzhappy|suzhappy@yahoo.com|11:00:10|08/12/2010|
Once again I thank you for all your honest opinions. You have all given me so much to think about. I don't have any family to speak of; no parents, siblings, etc. still alive, so I need to go out and find my own little support groups and I think I've found one right here. I spent most of the night on my knees praying for the strength and dignity and grace to go on no matter where this path in my life may lead me. I know it's going to be hard, oh so hard, and I have a very non-supportive husband but I do have 3 beautiful grandchildren who need their Grandma. I will tell you one more thing, when I got out of bed this morning, alot of the feeling had returned to the toes in my right foot!!!!!!! It's such a wonderful feeling!!! It may only last a short while but I'm going to enjoy wiggling these piggies while I can!!
Thank you all ~ I love you.
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http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/28.html 19|2|Stay strong, I know exactly what you are going through except for the pain|mo6g02|crazylady47952@yahoo.com|11:06:24|08/12/2010|
If I can do it so can you. Hands are out stretched on here, grab hold & hang tough, there is a light at the end of this long, dark, black tunnel, for most it's called family & love but sometimes friends are just as good.
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20|2|I have a few things I'd love to tell you..|noway|bargainhuntress23@yahoo.com|12:45:29|08/12/2010|
First off, you deserve to live a life that makes you happy. You are worth it and deserve to change the factors in your life that are negative. So many people forget that they can make their lives whatever they want them to be at any time. You need to surround yourself with people that care for you, support you and love you. Try to tell your husband what you need. If he isn't going to offer that support, I suggest you think about your marriage in depth and if he's honoring you and loving you every day. I know you love your grandchildren but you need to put yourself first for a while and really take stock in why you're unhappy and why you felt at some point that life might not be worth living. It takes a lot of courage to change but you can have a life that makes you proud and ecstatic. Love yourself enough to stop letting people tell you how much you're worth and know that you deserve the very best. 21|2|You have us.....I hope we can be enough for you :) |saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:09:02|08/12/2010|
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