I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief.
48|1|I'm worried about the QUALITY AND QUANTITY of healthcare everyone will get.|Abbicca|Abbicca@insightbb.com|15:07:09|03/23/2010|
There is a reason that lots of Canadian doctors came down here to live and practice medicine. They make more money and can afford to pay the outrageous malpractice insurance...AND all of their student loans back.
There's also a reason lots of Canadians come across the border for medical care..... yes, it costs them more, but they don't have to wait 6 months and they're not limited to what the government opts for as treatment.
What scares me is that the government is in charge of this and THEY get to choose WHO gets treatment and WHAT treatment they get. It's all well and good to tout the fact that anyone with a pre-existing condition will have health insurance, but if it is dear ole Uncle Sam choosing who gets treatment and treatment types..... do you think they're going to spend 250k on someone who has a debilitating disease already---or spend that 250k on someone who has a longer life expectancy or more "value" to the system? Just because people "have insurance" doesn't mean they will get the treatment they SHOULD have...or that they will be TREATED equally.
IMHO, the government shouldn't get into "business" and that's what they've done by buying out Chevrolet/Chrysler... and now with the health insurance. Nobody or thing with the power to affect the ability of a company to run their business (aka the ability to make new tariffs, impose taxes, fine for non-use, raise taxes or make new ones on ANYTHING even specifics, or fine a company for making a product that actually meets a demand and sells) should be in a position to COMPETE with other companies. It totally undermines the capitalistic nature of our country...and will kill the desire to become self employed.
Great, this is aiming to create 16,000 or so new IRS jobs to enforce their new regulations....AND it'll add more nursing/doctor jobs...... presumably ALL working FOR the government. ALL government workers---all presumably not covered by this health care system. Possibly none paying into Social security nor medicare.... yet getting better retirement benefits and health coverage.
I just think government has gotten too big for their britches already. I don't think the people who make the rules should be allowed to compete directly in ANY business. I also don't want our country to end up like an ant farm.... where we all work for the "colony" but get nothing for ourselves. There just has to be SOME incentive to work hard and excel, and too much government control takes all that incentive away. If this is government BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE---it should apply to ALL people. None of the "I make the rules but don't have to be subject to them" stuff that is going on.
Does our health care system need help---oh yeah! Is this the way to do it? No, I don't think anyone wants to go to the doctor for 'death counseling' every few years no matter how old they are (not sure if that's still in there or not--but was horrified when it was). 49|2|$1,000,000,000,000 - How can anyone believe that won't break the country's back?|Beaglesfly|lmllr77@aol.com|15:51:37|03/23/2010|
l. 50|1|IM SO HAPPY THIS PASSED |crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|16:06:17|03/23/2010|
I NOW CAN HAVE HELTH COVERAGE HERE IN CALIF BECAUSE I AM A DEMESTIC PARTNER (BENE WITH MY PARTNER A MALE FOR 21 YEARS NOT MARRIED)AND WE ARE NOT THE SMAE SEX THE INSURANCE WOULD NOT COVER ME MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE PAIED FOR ALL CHILDBIRTHING ON OUR OWN IF I WAS A MAN I COULD BE COVERED BEACAUSE OF THE SMAE SEX LAWS IN CALIF ,MY 2 DAUGHTERS THAT ARE 18-19 WERE CUT OFF ON INSURANCE WHEN THYE HIT 18 BEACAUSE THEY CHOSE NOT TO GO TO SCHOOL FULL TIME (I COULDNT AFFORD THE TUITION WITH MY HUSBANDS HOURS BEING CUT,WE QUALIFY FOR MEDICAL BEACAUSE MY HUSBANDS HOURS HAVE BEEN CUT SO MUCH HE MADE $45,000.00 DOLLARS LAST YEAR ,BUT CANT GET ON MEDICAL BECAUSE HE HAS TO PAY HELTH INSURANCE OUT FOR HIS POCKET AUTOMATICAL THREW THE UNION,FOR THE PAST 10+YEARS I HAVE CROSSED THE BORDER INTO MEXICO TO RECIEVE MEDICAL ATTENTION THAT I CAN AFFORD IM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DAY I CAN AFFORD TO GO TO A DOCTOR RIGHT HERE IN THE USA ,ITS A VERY HAPPY DAY FOR ME TODAY AND IM SURE MY AUNT IS SMILING DOWN ON US, SHE WOULD BE HERE TODAY ONLY IF THEY REMOVER HER OTHER BREAAST WHEN THEY FOUND HER CANCER IN THE OTHER BREAST BUT THE INSURANCE COMPANY DENIED IT THEY SAID IT WAS COSMETIC SERGERY SHE WENT INTO REMISION ALMOST 1 YEAR AND THEY FOUND CANCER IN HER OTHER BREAST BUT THIS TIME IT WAS TO LATE SHE WAS STAGE 5 AND DIED 3 MONTHS LATER,WE NEED OVER ALL CHANGE IN AMERICA AND WE ARE MAKING A NEW START WITH THIS BILL BEING PASSED.HAVE A BLESSED DAY TERI 51|2|oh groan... drinking too much koolaid if you think this will solve these problems|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|16:10:46|03/23/2010|
Let's hope this doesn't come to pass. You may get your insurance, but you may lose your job, home, etc. SOMEONE has to pay for this.... it is NOT FREE folks. It is NOT FREE!!!
If you think that it wouldn't be cheaper for you to purchase it on your own through a private insurer, you are NOT reading this stuff and you are not paying attention.
This is making me SICK!!! 53|3|I'm not sure why you are being so abrasive to those people who are happy it passed. |jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|16:26:37|03/23/2010|
everyone has a right to their opinion but there is absolutely no reason to be telling someone they are "drinking the kool aid" or calling the democrats "demo-rats". It solves nothing and it's rude. 55|4|Jilda...that's the conservative way...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|16:38:52|03/23/2010|
to kvetch and moan about anything the Democrats do! A prime example is the nastiness that took place on Saturday before the bill was passed. A Congressman was spit on, another called a "nigger"; and homophobic slurs were used against another Congressman...right there on the steps of the Capital Building! Now, you tell me why that was necessary.
>Posted on Mar-23-10 at 04:26 PM (Eastern)
>by 205.228.53.13everyone has a right to
>their opinion but there is absolutely
>no reason to be telling someone
>they are "drinking the kool aid"
>or calling the democrats "demo-rats". It
>solves nothing and it's rude.
56|5|but that's not here on this board. All politics will cause a lot of people to get upset (one way or the other) |jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|16:43:13|03/23/2010|
but there is no reason to disrespect the people on here for their opinions. It's rude and ugly and it doesn't do anything to help state their case. 57|5|I am really shocked here at some of the comments, we are a multi cultural country, who should be tolerant, yet many are so raciests it is sickening....have a right to protest againt our country without being killed or put into jail, use your rights if you are not for the bill, funny how so many countries have free health care, free schools and free help for those who are not working and it works for them some people just can not see outside their box .. |MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|16:53:49|03/23/2010|
I bet the majority whom are complaining have never went overseas to see how Europe or other countries deal with this??? funny how they manage and the euro is so much higher then the dollar ,, maybe some of you should stop the blaming things on the other, the rude and racial remarks and ask others from different countries how do they feel about a unified health care system 63|6|whoa put on the brakes|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|17:28:27|03/23/2010|
Who's calling who a racist? Nobody was making racist remarks!
What we are saying is no matter how you try to dress up a pig (this bill) its still a pig. And a pig it will be. We will pay for this for FOUR years before any of you see any benefits. I don't know about you but if I'm paying for something for four years I'd like to see something for my money.
Conservative? Not actually.
Racist? Not actually. I don't dislike any race. I dislike specific people - usually people who are out to rape my wallet. And some people are. 59|5|It isn't the conservative way! That is just crap|mmj2236|sasha@mccarvill.mv.com|17:05:28|03/23/2010|
Every time people disagree and sometimes using not the nicest language, the Dems cry foul. But Dems and liberals have a pretty short memeory because when G. Bush was president and the republicans were in control, it was perfectly okay with the Dems and liberals to bash them and their policies using any language they saw fit. And most of it was just shameful. The names people called a sitting president of the US. It was disgusting and as far as I am concerned it was totally unpatriotic.
I would like the whole group of you to stop crying "victim" every time someone steps on your toes a little. God knows the liberals know how to dish it out...it would be nice if they also learned how to take it. I don't condone the language used this past weekend but we still do have free speech in this country.
JMHO
Michelle
70|6|Excuse me but saying we are demo-rats and we are drinking the kool aid and that we should open our eyes and read the thing. ..when even they didn't read|jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|19:40:30|03/23/2010|
a 2400 page document is NOT steppng on toes it's just being disrespectful. I didn't call anyone a racist just rude..and I still stand by that. 78|6|Wait so now because I am a democart I am a "victim" and I have victim mentality? Lumping people together and generalizing does nothing to unite us. This is just another example of what I was talking about above.|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|20:57:22|03/23/2010|
"Let's just hit the reset button," he says. "Let's say I'm sorry and start over again. That was basically the message. Something better is going to come." John Rzeznik (Musician)
77|3|"This is making me sick"... well now you have health care...|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|20:52:23|03/23/2010|
I agree with Jilda. We can all have different opinions, but I took offense to the tone of some of the posts. I don't live under a rock and I am not delusional by any means... 58|1|Here is the entire Health Care Bill...all 2,409 pages of it...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|16:59:22|03/23/2010|
for you all to read for yourselves. It is in .pdf format.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3590eas.txt.pdf 60|2|Why is it because we disagree with a black socialist president we are suddenly racist???|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|17:10:43|03/23/2010|
I disagreed with some of George Bush did too. What does that make me? Obama could be pink with purple polka dots, he can take his healthcare plan to hell and back to sell it and I still don't want that load of horse hockey shoved down my throat.
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 64|3|where u get that at kristy about the raciest because of the president? i am talking about the use of words towards all people and i am not democrate, liberal or anything for the other rude remark,, i am freedom party which we do not have, i say how come it has worked in many countries the people are happy with it and thier economy is better then ours!! and for the rude remark about illegal immagrants we are all immagrants in this great land thank you!1|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|17:28:48|03/23/2010|
read all and know what is being said,, this is out of hand and too many mud slings makes me really think when the other countries say we are naive and laugh at us we deserve it, god sake we are raciest with each other even over political parties, instead of protesting all bash each other, this is what a civilized grown up nation does?? 69|3|Kristy--do people usually qualify you as 'white' when disagreeing?|mfrs|mfrs.sv.ca@gmail.com|19:37:10|03/23/2010|
I don't think the bill goes far enough--I'd like single payer, with coverage for all legal medical procedures. But I'm happy for those who are going to get coverage they can afford. I guess I'm a white radical! And proud of it!
I find those who say that the US is suddenly a second-rank country kind of amusing. This implies that there are first-rate countries, and all of them have universal coverage and higher tax rates. 108|3|So now he's a socialist? LOL. I think the rhetoric is getting kind of steep in here|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|14:53:09|03/24/2010|
LOL 61|2|This is kind of off topic but I don't think they should be allowed to have bills this long|mmj2236|sasha@mccarvill.mv.com|17:12:00|03/23/2010|
There is no way all our reps read this thing before they voted so that means they probably just vote party lines. I think that all of our reps should have to read the bill and pass a short test on its contents before they can vote on them. It would stop alot of the "surprises" that end up in laws. And it certainly would stop 2000 page bills from being submitted. They all say that they have staffers that go through the bills for content but you know I didn't vote for a staffer and I am not being represented properly by this practice. 66|3|LUV IT! I AGREE!|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|18:05:56|03/23/2010|
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72|2|I think I've had longer documents from my insurance companies|mfrs|mfrs.sv.ca@gmail.com|19:59:15|03/23/2010|
I think it's so they can find a small scar, call it an undisclosed pre-existing condition (chickenpox! acne!) and deny me coverage for something major. 67|1|Someone mentioned scare tactics --|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|18:13:07|03/23/2010|
How about a house bill that is over 2400 pages? That's not scary? How many have read that? Many of the dems have said they have only read "parts" of it. Hmmm, THAT's scary. 68|2|1 of Canadas premiers jusr came here for medical treatment|tollman62|thebossatnight@yahoo.com|19:35:46|03/23/2010|
because they ration care up there and heart surgery can be a huge wait on the list. In France they have health insurance and riots in the streets because a majority of the youth are unemployed
Obama kneels with the muslims bows to the chinese but won't have his picture taken with the prime minister of Israel
A few of my younger coworkers have said the revolution is coming
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you always hear noises in the dark when you work at night 71|3|What does unemployed French youth have to do...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|19:46:59|03/23/2010|
Posted on Mar-23-10 at 07:46 PM (Eastern) by 98.20.129.144
with anything here? Those hooligan youth you speak of are primarily Muslim youth who immigrated to Europe from their home Arab countries. They come to settle in European cities, try to form their own Islamic Sharia Law in their neighborhoods instead of abiding by the laws of the nations they currently reside in. These are the youths who everyone here in the West sees on television rioting and setting fires to vehicles, damaging property, and causing all sorts of problems. The French Socialist problems have nothing to do with American politics or the new Health Care Bill.
President Obama has not "kneeled" to anyone that I know of. He is working diplomatically with China and certain Arab countries in the hope of improving ties. The United States cannot afford to totally piss off China right now, as our military is stretched far too thin. Both the United States and the Chinese economies are linked in this global market...both coutries need each other. As for the Arabs, well...President Obama has to be careful here.
And Israel? Well...even though I'm pro-Israel, I do understand what Israel is currently doing is not conducive to peaceful negotiations with the Palestinians. Israel needs to be admonished over their current intentions of building more settlements in East Jerusalem. Three major religions call Jerusalem their most holy city, and it needs to be preserved for all. There should be no settlements in East Jerusalem; there is no need for it, other than as a political tool to use against the Palestinians.
>Posted on Mar-23-10 at 07:35 PM (Eastern)
>by 74.70.243.72because they ration care up
>there and heart surgery can be
>a huge wait on the list.
>In France they have health insurance
>and riots in the streets because
>a majority of the youth are
>unemployed Obama kneels with the
>muslims bows to the chinese but
>won't have his picture taken with
>the prime minister of Israel
>A few of my younger coworkers have
>said the revolution is coming
> email me if interested please send
>your board name in your email
>thanks I am looking for offers
>in concealed cash ayor Stamps
>or BTFE or make
>an offer in???? I can accept
>personal paypal or if you cover
>any fees
>I mail all my trades from the
>post office and get a receipt.
>
>you always hear noises in the dark
>when you work at night
74|4|hmm arab county? they are north africans as I am as well AMERICAN NORTH AFRICAN NOT ARAB!!get your geogrophy right if you are going to talk, have you ever been to France?? Well I have many times and have family there! and not all are muslims regardless of their faith,.. France economy is still better then ours is here in the USA.. now when you live in another country or have family there then we talk|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|20:25:11|03/23/2010|
enough of closed minded rude racial remarks now we get into ARABs and MUSLIMS??? how ignorant!!! 85|5|Hey, MyCat...if it walks like a duck...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|00:05:50|03/24/2010|
sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck...then it's a duck as far as I'm concerned. Don't pretend to tell ME that I am ignorant or racist (although I do not like the French, but that has nothing to do with racism).
>Posted on Mar-23-10 at 08:25 PM (Eastern)
>by 173.50.173.78enough of closed minded rude
>racial remarks now we get into
>ARABs and MUSLIMS??? how ignorant!!!
89|6|so now not only i am catorgorized as an ARAB i am a duck loool first i known us north africans were arabs, yes arabic speaking, but we are berbers, not all are muslims many jewish and christains and pagans, and not all muslims speak arabic to be catorgorized as arabic speakers there is more the a million here in the usa, and not all the problems in france from muslims that is raciest wondering do you know ur roots?|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|00:28:12|03/24/2010|
i grew up looking at all people as the same regardless of religions, or the color of ones skin, did u know only here in our great country they have you put what race you are? did you know because i am white i have to be put under Caucasian even though i am African American now u tell me if it walks and talks like a duck,, hmm really makes me proud to be in a freedom country,, 90|7|Oh, I know my ancestry...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|00:56:43|03/24/2010|
I'm 1/8th Native American and 7/8ths English. My family has been traced all the way back to The War of the Roses (a feud fought between the Lancasters and the Yorks). I've decided that the only good York is a peppermint patty....LOL. And MyCat, I suppose your heritage makes you a French-loving, Arab-speaking, North African, Caucasian duck! LOL
>Posted on Mar-24-10 at 00:28 AM (Eastern)
>by 173.50.173.78i grew up looking at
>all people as the same regardless
>of religions, or the color of
>ones skin, did u know only
>here in our great country they
>have you put what race you
>are? did you know because i
>am white i have to be
>put under Caucasian even though i
>am African American now u tell
>me if it walks and talks
>like a duck,, hmm really makes
>me proud to be in a
>freedom country,,
91|8|I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF UR RACIAL STUPID REMARKS TO ME!!! NOW IT IS GETTING DISCRIMINATING !! STOP or you dont have the brains enough to do so|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|01:19:18|03/24/2010|
. 92|9|blah, blah, blah...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|02:13:17|03/24/2010|
I've not posted a racist remark yet. I'm merely posting bits of what you, yourself have previously posted. You North Africans sure don't have a sense of humor. Much like the French. 
99|10|GO UP AND I EMAILED THE MODS|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|12:08:08|03/24/2010|
. 73|3|You're right Steve -- he's not OUR president... he's a photo op or not.|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|20:03:49|03/23/2010|
This will all be interesting -- not necessarily in a good way, I'm afraid.
86|4|Speaking of ignorance...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|00:08:18|03/24/2010|
President Obama IS our President, like it or not. You may not have voted for the man, but that does not mean that he isn't your President. It is comments like yours that keeps the United States divided along partisan lines.
>Posted on Mar-23-10 at 08:03 PM (Eastern)
>by 173.48.129.174This will all be interesting
>-- not necessarily in a good
>way, I'm afraid.
88|5|No it's Congress voting in a bill that 66% of the people DO NOT want that continues the division|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|00:14:17|03/24/2010|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 75|1|French system compares more closley to the bill passed here |tollman62|thebossatnight@yahoo.com|20:31:16|03/23/2010|
Those muslim youth you speak of are legal immigrants and French citizens the proportionate numbers are small compared to the general youth population. When the French enhanced there health care sysystem they have found the long term affect was increases in unemployment over the long term. France is a highly unionized culture and older workers maintain the jobs or get openings as they arise leaving no openings for youths .
I said kneeled with not to. The Chineese economy depends on ours as they do not have an end user culture. As for being cautious with the arabs showing your ability to relate to both sides would enhance your chance at talking peace with both sides.
As for Jerusalem I guess you would rather see people dwelling in caves
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you always hear noises in the dark when you work at night 76|2|France made an agreement with Algerie for those immagrants, they were sons and daughters that the French had killed during the occupation, they have a right to be there as do we in the USA, everyone immagrates for reasons.. the riots at that time were not only because of the jobs, was to do with the presidant of France speech, he was to applogize to the Algerien citizens for the consentration camps that killed so many during the revolution|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|20:42:24|03/23/2010|
did you know we still have those chemical camps there with the leakage of them into the soil and people are still dying from cancer from the food.. yet France never removed it nor did they go help to fix what they destroyed, not to mention the A-bombs they would do in the sahara of Morocco and Algeria .If you disagree with the bill I keep saying protest it, yet many are not listening and just plain ignorant using racial, and religious slander remarks! that is not right, all are humans and have a right to be what religion they choose.
and to clarify ARAB is a language not a RACE! 79|3|I have lived overseas, my Mom currently lives in the UK. So, speaking from experience here, this is not the solution. |jen_ron|bugsmamma@earthlink.net|21:16:46|03/23/2010|
My mom's partner had to wait a long period of time after she was diagnosed with breast cancer for treatments, becuase thats the way their healthcare system is ran. It is also very expensive and regardless of what your doctor thinks needs to be done for you, if its not covered by the health insurance and you dont have the $ to pay for it outright, you dont get it.
I agree healthcare reform is needed. But it should not be DICTATED to the American people by one person. And essentially, that it what happened. The POTUS decided he wanted it reformed to the way HE chose and he pushed and dictated and did only who knows what behind all those closed doors until it was passed, barely. Obviously, our Congress & the POTUS do NOT listen to the majority of the American people, as is their job. All polls taken on this very subject show that the majority of the American people did not what THIS bill. There are major flaws in it. The major flaw being how it will be payed for. Social Security & Medicaid are nearly bankrupt and yet this Insurance is being likened to those same programs.
If I lose my job, its ok. I have other things to fall back on. I have my degree in LPN & I have my experience in the automotive industry. Could I find a job?? Right now, probably not. I live in one of the poorest states in the country and jobs have been hard to find for many, many years. I think things are gonna get a lot worse long before they get better. Just my 2 cents.
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My Ebay Auctions ~ http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZjenayn 80|1|My main problem lies with the govt running the public option healthcare....I see firsthand as a geriantological nurse the fiasco that Medicaid and Medicare are, they can't handle the funds in those two programs, now they are going to manage a third??? My other concern is about Medicare benefits for the elderly.....these are the people that have already worked for decades to have the benefit of this program, so many of them can barely afford the premium for the Medicare coverage and a supplemental insurance...how will they be able to afford an increase in Medicare premiums? And if there is less money in Medicare, that does affect many, many healthcare workers....facilities and hospitals will be tightening their belts even more, hours will be cut, staffing will be cut....wages will be frozen....how does this contribute to the overall well-being of our economy? Not to mention the hoards of people who will not consider a career in healthcare in the years to come....shortage of workers will make for subpar care.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:27:55|03/23/2010|
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81|2|Your absolutely right Joy. Yesterday, after it was signed into law, our local hospital layed off almost all of its floor nurses. Now there were will be 1 nurse per floor, per shift. The rest will be left to aides to cover. They also laid off workers in the XRay dept & the ER.|jen_ron|bugsmamma@earthlink.net|21:42:06|03/23/2010|
News spreads fast here, almost everyone says they will not go to our local hospital anymore if they can help it. Even the Dr's will no longer be on call or do rotations thru the ER. It is being left to just one Dr and sadly, its the one that no one trusts...
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84|3|Our staffing has been cut the last several weeks....hours were cut from 8 hrs a day to 7 1/2 across the board for non-salaried employees, staffing was cut by about 25% overall, and they eliminated two positions in the last couple months...the staff is very discouraged, we are used to giving quality care and feel it is getting impossible to maintain the standard.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:58:43|03/23/2010|
" You'll get what's coming to you ... Unless it was mailed."
82|2|yes joy correct we in the health care not already swamped as it is will be worse, but how many people i see daily who cry about they can not afford to have medications because their insurance or they do not have insurance, most are elderly who go with out food just to pay their medications,, so who takes care of our old? we should,, how many when i was working in dc were vets who the governement insurance even would not cover them sad i had one patient who would eat cat food just to have his/her medications what is the solution for the last 10 years we have been suffering how much more can the elderly endure |MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|21:49:35|03/23/2010|
something has to be done 93|1|THEY ALL NEED TO STAY OUT OF OUR PERSONAL AFFAIRS !!! AND HEALTH CARE IS ONE |Basketcase|basketbubby@hotmail.com|07:50:48|03/24/2010|
They miss up everything they touch!!! 94|1|I am holding my decision on the health care bill until I understand what it will and won't do and what ramifications it will cause.|qponsandy|qpons4trade@ameritech.net|08:48:09|03/24/2010|
As for the mud-slinging on this topic I will not join the party. 95|1|My biggest issue is that my tax dollars are going to be used to....|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|09:25:38|03/24/2010|
pay for things that I regard as immoral. Government funded abortions,(an executive order, does not change the law,) rationing of health care for the elderly, or those who's life expectancy is shorter, (the government will now have the deciding vote, on who deserves to have this health care, and who's quality of life is not good enough to spend money on a procedure.)
*~~*He Who The Lord Sets Free, Is Free Indeed*~~*
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96|2|what sucks|tarasdream|jumpwoman23@hotmail.com |10:28:44|03/24/2010|
is you will see no benefit from this bill for 4 years, they passed a bill that no one read and theres no telling what bad things are in it. they said on the news if you get a income tax refund you have to take there health insurance if you dont then they take your tax refund. this whole thing stinks its just a way for our arrogant liar of a president to control us. he should be ashamed at the role model hes being for his kids to threaten and bribe people to get this bill passed 97|3|That is not true the preexisting claus does go into effect right away that is what I heard on the news|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|11:27:19|03/24/2010|
>Posted on Mar-24-10 at 10:28 AM (Eastern)
>by 173.169.47.6is you will see no
>benefit from this bill for 4
>years, they passed a bill that
>no one read and theres no
>telling what bad things are in
>it. they said on the news
>if you get a income tax
>refund you have to take there
>health insurance if you dont then
>they take your tax refund. this
>whole thing stinks its just a
>way for our arrogant liar of
>a president to control us. he
>should be ashamed at the role
>model hes being for his kids
>to threaten and bribe people to
>get this bill passed
98|1|that only |tarasdream|jumpwoman23@hotmail.com |12:06:44|03/24/2010|
is for children from what i heard 100|2|Yeah.. On the news this morning they said that only applied to children. Adults will be covered down the road....|RobinsCrazyWorld|robinmarie72@gmail.com|12:19:33|03/24/2010|
IO
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(='.'=)
(")_(")
I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief.
101|3|Snort just pay for it for the next 4 years and then you wil get some benefits.. imagine if real life worked that way |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|12:27:07|03/24/2010|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 102|3|It's something isn't it? Something big for those families who have a child or more in that situation|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|12:53:37|03/24/2010|
>Posted on Mar-24-10 at 12:19 PM (Eastern)
>by 24.20.40.237IO (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")
>
>I would rather have a mind opened
>by wonder than one closed by
>belief.
103|4|Come on T who seriously believes the gov't will put that money away for when this is all supposed to start... the country will go bankrupt then start playing God with who can and cant' have life saving surgeries|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|12:56:43|03/24/2010|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 104|5|kristy - and we just deeper down the hole|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|13:08:46|03/24/2010|
I'm sure that's the plan. Get it spend it forget it.
I guess the constutution is meaningless. Ugh 105|5|K I was talking about uninsured children getting insuranmce I haven't rtead the bill probally won't due to the eye sight|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|13:19:01|03/24/2010|
so I can't comment about many of the things I just know this if this had been put out and voted into being by the other side then it would just turn the tables on who is complaining about what 106|6|T it didn't matter to me what side passed it. The bill is just unconstitutional period. |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|13:32:49|03/24/2010|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 107|1|Now that the pixie dust has settled and everyone has pointed fingers...|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|14:09:25|03/24/2010|
I can say I kinda got the results I was looking for yesterday -- people talking about it. Did it go a little overboard? Maybe. But if just one person came away yesterday saying "omg, what has just happened" then it was worthwhile.
To address some of the finger pointing toward me -- No, I am not a republican or a conservative, thank you very much Cary. I am an independent - party lines and thinker. I take offense to being called rude. Perhaps. I didn't call you individuals demorats -- I called the bozos who just took YOUR constitutional rights away demorats. You still hold them dear to your heart? Then don't ask why when your next constitutional right is taken away. Unalienable rights -- look it up. Gone. Taxation without representation - look it up - you're now living it. For the people, by the people? Hell, the "people" who just passed this are IMMUNE from it. So, not for them. Freedom of choice -- oops, sorry.
Let's be real -- 38 states -- 38 states -- 76% of our nation is against this. What took them so long? Didn't think it would fly? I'm sure many of you didn't either. But anything that 76% of the nation is against cannot be good. It just can't be.
Just a couple thoughts -- if all doctors become governmental workers, they have lost their American dream to prosper. They prosper in two ways -- the humanitarian side of them which hopefully nobody can take away; and the monetary. From the monetary gains that doctors gain, they reinvest into the field - skills, equipment, facilities, etc. Those things will end because they won't have the funds to do them. So what happens to specialties? We'd have no need for them. Not in quantity. So what happens to education? Look at other socialized medical plans -- it's already been noted in here that Canadians and Brits come here for procedures that they can't get at home in time to save their lives. Where will we go? Well, not Canada, not Britain.
It's been written a lot in the last couple days that we are on the cusp of a revolution within our borders. I think part of the reason is because we, the American people, have had our heads in the sand and allowed the guys in DC to speak for us and we've been content with that. If that's what we want, than keep your head in the sand; look at this as a good thing that won't cost you money - lots of money. But 76% don't feel that way and at this point, if we can't get this thing shut down quickly, we can only hope that the 38 states that have filed law suits can keep those law suits alive for 5-10 years while it gets straightened out.
We definitely need some kind of health care reform. But not one that will bankrupt the nation. And, bankrupt its people years before the reform goes into effect. We will never see our money and we will never see that reform.
If I have pissed a few of you off this week, than I'm glad. It means you're reading and thinking and fighting. Don't fight me. I'm on your side. Fight those who are taking your rights as an American citizen away. I don't care what your political views are, I don't care about your religion, your race, your income, your bad habits, whatever. UNALIEANABLE rights -- keep them that way.
109|2|Nobody is taking any rights away from...|inthesticks|inthesticks@windstream.net|17:08:48|03/24/2010|
the American people. Give me a break! Your statistics that 76% of the people are against this Health Care Bill is just WRONG! Only yesterday, a Gallup poll found that 49% of those polled are in FAVOR of the Health Care Bill. Just because 38 states' Attorney's Generals have declared intentions to challenge the law...does not equate to 76% of people being against it. Please stop spinning the numbers to make your opinion seem valid.
None of the Democrats (and one Republican) took my rights away on Sunday. I fully support the Health Care Bill and am proud that the Democrats managed to get it passed into law. At least the Democrats are trying to do what is right, and enact healthcare reform. That is more than the GOP has done. And now, the GOP is planning on being obstructionist, by trying to attach dozens of little amendments to the Health Care Bill to stall and force the Bill back to the House for another vote.
I'd gladly pay more taxes to ensure my family and friends receive better healthcare. Taxes are inevitable. Taxes have to be levied/raised to pay for most everything today that this nation enjoys.
>Posted on Mar-24-10 at 02:09 PM (Eastern)
>by 137.71.23.54I can say I kinda
>got the results I was looking
>for yesterday -- people talking about
>it. Did it go a
>little overboard? Maybe. But
>if just one person came away
>yesterday saying "omg, what has just
>happened" then it was worthwhile.
>To address some of the finger pointing
>toward me -- No, I am
>not a republican or a conservative,
>thank you very much Cary.
>I am an independent - party
>lines and thinker. I take
>offense to being called rude.
>Perhaps. I didn't call you
>individuals demorats -- I called the
>bozos who just took YOUR constitutional
>rights away demorats. You still
>hold them dear to your heart?
> Then don't ask why when
>your next constitutional right is taken
>away. Unalienable rights -- look
>it up. Gone. Taxation
>without representation - look it up
>- you're now living it.
>For the people, by the people?
> Hell, the "people" who just
>passed this are IMMUNE from it.
> So, not for them.
>Freedom of choice -- oops, sorry.
>
>Let's be real -- 38 states --
>38 states -- 76% of our
>nation is against this. What
>took them so long? Didn't
>think it would fly? I'm
>sure many of you didn't either.
> But anything that 76% of
>the nation is against cannot be
>good. It just can't be.
>
>Just a couple thoughts -- if all
>doctors become governmental workers, they have
>lost their American dream to prosper.
> They prosper in two ways
>-- the humanitarian side of them
>which hopefully nobody can take away;
>and the monetary. From the
>monetary gains that doctors gain, they
>reinvest into the field - skills,
>equipment, facilities, etc. Those things
>will end because they won't have
>the funds to do them.
>So what happens to specialties?
> We'd have no need for
>them. Not in quantity.
>So what happens to education?
>Look at other socialized medical plans
>-- it's already been noted in
>here that Canadians and Brits come
>here for procedures that they can't
>get at home in time to
>save their lives. Where will
>we go? Well, not Canada,
>not Britain.
>It's been written a lot in the
>last couple days that we are
>on the cusp of a revolution
>within our borders. I think
>part of the reason is because
>we, the American people, have had
>our heads in the sand and
>allowed the guys in DC to
>speak for us and we've been
>content with that. If that's
>what we want, than keep your
>head in the sand; look at
>this as a good thing that
>won't cost you money - lots
>of money. But 76% don't
>feel that way and at this
>point, if we can't get this
>thing shut down quickly, we can
>only hope that the 38 states
>that have filed law suits can
>keep those law suits alive for
>5-10 years while it gets straightened
>out.
>We definitely need some kind of health
>care reform. But not one
>that will bankrupt the nation.
>And, bankrupt its people years before
>the reform goes into effect.
>We will never see our money
>and we will never see that
>reform.
>If I have pissed a few of
>you off this week, than I'm
>glad. It means you're reading
>and thinking and fighting. Don't
>fight me. I'm on your
>side. Fight those who are
>taking your rights as an American
>citizen away. I don't care
>what your political views are, I
>don't care about your religion, your
>race, your income, your bad habits,
>whatever. UNALIEANABLE rights -- keep
>them that way.
115|3|Unfortunately, you're still living in the Matrix....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|21:24:08|03/24/2010|
Our Constitution is ignored. Our rights are violated. We're taxed without representation and as long as we go about our lives as usual, they win and we pay!
Former President George W. Bush said "The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper".
Since our big government promises health care for all, they're going to leave us high and dry with massive shortages of doctors and facilities. This health-care system will collapse of its own bureaucratic weight in time.
Again, the passage of this bill only serves to further weaken an already frail Constitution. Now, there's talk of passing Cap and Trade, which is nothing but a scam. This is another tax we don't need on top of this monstrous health bill. This will be the final nail in the coffin and will destroy our economy IF the health bill doesn't destroy it first. We may never recover.
A documentary for you to view for your info - America: Freedom to Fascism
http://www.republicmedia.tv/?p=283
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered". Thomas Jefferson
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies". Thomas Jefferson
Every civilization that has ever existed has ultimately collapsed.
- Henry Kissinger
If peace is equated simply with the absence of war, it can become abject pacifism that turns the world over to the most ruthless.
- Henry Kissinger
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
- Henry Kissinger
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger
"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world."
- Henry Kissinger
110|1|The real cost for families|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|18:16:48|03/24/2010|
The Real Cost of Health Care Reform
by Kim Trobee, editor
Tax increases are likely to top $500 billion over 10 years.
The enactment of health care reform marked the beginning of one of the biggest tax hikes in American history. And families will pay the price.
President Barack Obama signed the reform into law Tuesday and ushered in a massive tax increase for the American people.
Democrats touted the plan as a way to reduce the deficit, but a closer inspection by Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) shows a cost in new taxes of more than $500 billion over 10 years.
Such numbers will have a chilling effect on an economy that is already struggling.
"You can’t take $500 billion out of the economy and not have anybody notice it," said Ryan Ellis, tax policy director at ATR. "There’s going to be quite a lot of pain."
Robert Book, senior research fellow at The Heritage Foundation, said nearly all Americans will be affected.
"There are a number of taxes in the bill designed to pay for health care," he said. "Most of these taxes are broad-based taxes that apply to pretty much everybody."
And that means American families will ultimately pay a steep price. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that insurance premiums for a family of four will increase by $2,100 a year.
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 111|2|KRISTI POST THE WEBSITE THAT THIS WAS FOUND ON????|crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|19:38:00|03/24/2010|
TY 112|1|Depressing!|Geri|geristiber@gmail.com|19:41:54|03/24/2010|
Welcome to SOCIALIST America!!!! The sadness of losing the last GREAT refuge in the world! Want the truth of this obamacare? Just like Hitler, supply the good things FIRST - don't forget, the people LOVED Hitler - came in and gave them all jobs, food, government goodies until he had his full plan set in place - then the suffering.
This bill will raid $52B OUT of Social Security, cuts $500B from Medicare and doesn't count the BILLIONS needed to compensate doctors! TAX, TAX and MORE TAX on the back of the workers in this land! Not to mention DESTROYING the GREATEST healthcare in the worls - just ask the canadians or brits that come here. And watch out for VAT tax coming and John Kerry already spouting off his mouth that now that healthcare is done time to move on to Cap and Tax!!! I don't know about you but I can't afford this government anymore! It's no wonder they call this the "entitlement" generation! God help us all! Time to clean out the Senate and the House! 116|2|History Repeating Itself?|bish8|bish212@earthlink.net|22:26:02|03/24/2010|
Regarding Medicare
Rep. Tim Lee Carter (R-KY), 4/65: As one of the last country doctors… I ask my colleagues to vote to recommit… a bill which will within a few years cruelly overburden the Social Security System and the young workers with growing families, who will be forced to pay higher Social Security taxes.
Rep. Durward Hall (R-MO), 4/8/65: …we cannot stand idly by now, as the Nation is urged to embark on an ill-conceived adventure in government medicine, the end of which no one can see, and from which the patient is certain to be the ultimate sufferer.
Regarding Social Security
Rep. John Taber (R-NY), 4/19/35: Never in the history of the world has any measure been brought here so insidiously designed as to prevent business recovery, to enslave workers and to prevent any possibility of the employers providing work for the people.
Rep. Daniel Reed (R-NY), 1935: The lash of the dictator will be felt and 25 million free American citizens will for the first time submit themselves to a fingerprint test.
Rep. James W. Wadsworth (R-NY), 1935: This bill opens the door and invites the entrance into the political field of a power so vast, so powerful as to threaten the integrity of our institutions and to pull the pillars of the temple down upon the heads of our descendants.
113|1|WAS THIS FOUND ON CITIZENLINK .COM OR WAS IT RIGHTWING.COM??????|crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|19:43:00|03/24/2010|
TY 114|2|Citizenlink emailed it to me actually|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|21:18:47|03/24/2010|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!)