52 0|0|This is an absolute outrage!|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|22:50:01|11/05/2009|
Posted on Nov-05-09 at 10:50 PM (Eastern) by 204.8.46.34

My husband just told me about this CNN news reported by Lou Dobbs. This is not an accident or a mistake. This is part of a plan to destroy our way of life. Very sad. Our government has been hijacked.

Subj: CNN News, not Fox -- You won't believe this!!

It just keeps getting better.. This is unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I KNEW this was going to happen. (That way Obama wasn't lying when he said illegals would not be able to get medical coverage under his ObamaCare plan. His simple fix is to make them all legal first.)

EVERY ONE--PLEASE TAKE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS--IT TELLS ABOUT THE BILL GOING THRU CONGRESS RIGHT NOW REGARDING IMMIGRATION.

EVEN CNN IS GETTING UPSET ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!

Pass this on after you watch it. NOTICE THAT THIS IS FROM CNN, NOT FOX!!!

This from CNN news: http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26.wmv


This 2-minute video should be mandatory viewing for every US citizen. If you have never passed anything on before, pass this on! Every American should be outraged!


1|1|I don't usually comment but............|RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|22:59:43|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 10:59 PM (Eastern) by 68.57.156.68

This makes me sick. I mean, my husband is an American, served our country in the Marines and we can't get crap, no insurance at all or anything extra. This really pisses me off, I'm not trying to offend or upset anyone, but I am so fed up about all these illegals and everything they seem to get. Do you think if we went to their country, they would comply with us and give us thing? H#LL NO!!!! Sorry it just riles me up when I see or read things like this, thank you Sharon for sharing this with us. Hugs, Rebekka

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2|2|I caught a bit about this earlier today but am unable to view the video, but Rebekka, you are SOOO right! My dad is a Vietnam vet, fought and beat lukemia that was caused by agent orange, is on disability that gets taken OUT of his retirement check and has to PAY for his healthcare coverage! Ridiculous!|jen_ron|bugsmamma@earthlink.net|23:10:02|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:10 PM (Eastern) by 64.136.27.227

On top of it, my DH is National Gaurd (after 6 years full time) preparing for his second deployment to Iraq, 3rd total overseas hardship tour and the danged military cant even pay him on time, let alone the correct amount, so of course, bills are falling behind. Do we get any help? Nope. Illegal aliens need to be sent back home. Period. We have laws and we have to abide by them, they should be held to the same laws. Period. Everyone knows if we go to any other country we wont get treated as good as their citizens, why should they be treated better than those of us who are here legally???

Sorry, thats my 2cents, take it or leave it. lol

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Posted on Nov-06-09 at 07:07 AM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

:) 3|1|I didnt watch the video, but it's been discussed on Fox for some time that there will be a bill proposed that will make all illegals legal citizens at one fell swoop just so that if the health care bill passes they will be eligible....Washington isnt listening to the people.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|23:10:06|11/05/2009|

Last edited on Nov-05-09 at 11:14 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:10 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

ETA: I think the mainstream media is finally reporting on these issues because many American people are seeing through Washington's smoke screen and are angry, feel betrayed, and are getting a lot less than they thought they would be getting in the way of "change".

It is an insult to our military and veterans who serve to protect our freedoms and way of life, an insult to our grandparents and great-grandparents who came to this country and did it by the letter of the law to remain here as citizens.

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


4|1|Lou Dobbs? LOL, watching Lou Dobbs is just like watching Fox, I don't find him|Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|23:12:27|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:12 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

very nice at all. The term "illegals" is also not nice either, a nasty slur on the order of way back when, when the Italians and Irish were called nasty names. I didn't watch the video, but I'm pretty sure that without watching it, the government is not trying to ruin our way of life. I would venture to guess that this would bring more money in as the fees would probably be fairly large.
Cathie 5|2|What would the correct term be then? I am sincerely asking, not posing an argument.....|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|23:17:04|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:17 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


8|3|I was curious myself and am not trying to cause an argument, but I don't think calling them illegals is a bad name, I mean illegal means illegal, now calling them something nasty or bad I can understand if they were upset~*~|RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|23:25:37|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:25 PM (Eastern) by 68.57.156.68

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6|2|Another sincere question...fees for what? And if there are fees, would those that can't pay the fees be deported?|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|23:18:11|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:18 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


13|2|It doesn't matter who reported this story....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|23:48:11|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:48 PM (Eastern) by 204.8.46.34

whether it's Lou Dobbs or any other reporter, main thing is this story gets out there for people to know because our criminal govt. are passing/trying to pass so many laws behind our backs (secretly and quietly) especially when it is not for the American people's benefit. And yes, our govt. is definitely ruining our way of life because we are getting taxed to death more and more everyday and reducing our standard of living as well as destroying the middle class. 7|1|I know you are being sincere, Joy, as we are friends, I would say the same thing that|Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|23:25:35|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:25 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

anyone who is not a citizen is called, an alien. I just find the term "illegals" not so nice. As for the other question, I don't know the answer. There has to be some way.
Cathie 9|2|I don't see any difference between aliens & illegals |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|23:28:17|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:28 PM (Eastern) by 71.179.219.19

They are ILLEGALLY in MY country!

"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 10|2|I guess I see the term alien as being less nice, lol....illegal is their status, which is why I used that term.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|23:30:12|11/05/2009|

Last edited on Nov-05-09 at 11:33 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:30 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237
ETA: I guess with the term 'alien', I view it as more of a hostile term, maybe it's the connotation of 'alien' in that it means not of this planet to me, so I see it more dehumanizing....where, to me, the term 'illegals' is just referring to their status of living in the United States.

I surely didnt intend to be insulting, but my opinion on the matter itself still stands. :)


A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


37|2|Cathie, you are right on with the term alien. Illegal just describes the type of alien the person is. There are various types of aliens.|Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|20:38:20|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 08:38 PM (Eastern) by 76.226.0.113

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)
Categorization
Types of "alien" persons are:

An alien who is legally permitted to remain in a country which is foreign to him or her. On specified terms, this kind of alien may be called a legal alien of that country. This is a very broad category which includes tourists, guest workers, green card permanent residents and student visa aliens.

An alien who has temporary or permanent residence in a country (which is foreign to him/her) may be called a resident alien of that country. This is a subset of the aforementioned legal alien category.

An alien who is visiting a country (which is foreign to him/her) may be called a nonresident alien of that country. This is a subset of the aforementioned legal alien category.

An alien who is present in a country (which is foreign to him/her) unlawfully or without the country's authorization may be called an illegal alien of that country.[2] In the United States, such an alien may euphemistically call themself an "undocumented person".

An enemy alien is an alien who is designated as an enemy; compare to enemy combatant.




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11|1|Ahh, Joy, you didn't insult me, you know I am a bleeding heart liberal, LOL. |Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|23:42:31|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:42 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

Cathie 12|2|LOL, and I'm a little left side of the right, but not much, lolol....but you know what, that's what makes things interesting, we can share our views and maybe learn from each other :)|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|23:45:18|11/05/2009|

Posted on Nov-05-09 at 11:45 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


14|1|I completely agree...I LOVE Lou Dobbs....|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|07:06:00|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 07:06 AM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

this is a disgrace! 16|1|an alien is the correct term for people who are in this country LEGALLY but have not achieved citizenship. There are specific requirements about reporting their address etc. I do not see why Illegal is any kind of insult. It describes their situation in this country|suezz|clearys@comcast.net|07:59:46|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 07:59 AM (Eastern) by 71.192.110.4

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Posted on Nov-06-09 at 09:11 AM (Eastern) by 66.177.90.132

knowing something came from him just makes me not want to listen... 18|1|I just watched the video clip, and IT CAN'T ALL BE TRUE!!!!!!|missy|lovetotrade@hotmail.com|13:42:45|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 01:42 PM (Eastern) by 69.159.71.77

Surely the current Gov't can't be seriously considering all these terms. They will be asking for RIOTS in the streets! Isn't there enough hatred amongst warring factions already, without turning neighbors against each other????

The only thing that I can think of is that it would be incredibly costly, and difficult, if not impossible, for the Gov't to find them and send them all back. It would tie up the immigration and legal systems for decades to come! Amnesty is probably the cheapest, fastest solution to an insurmountable problem.

But then what? Just let anyone in??? GOOD Immigration reform is badly needed.

HTH

Kathryn (P.S. I am a LEGAL alien "snowbird" for 6 months of the year!!) I LOVE Florida!!! 19|2|I don't trust any bill that is thousands of pages long. There's no reason to have bills people don't have the time to read. I view it as obfuscation - kind of like who reads those pesky credit card TOS things that come in the mail? All language no one but a lawyer could figure out. When you have 1600 pages, there's plenty of places in there to hide things.|Sara_s_Mom|IClipCoupons@gmail.com|14:12:04|11/06/2009|

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20|1|I would take offense if you called all illegal immigrants..."Aliens"--because my husband is an ALIEN (m)|Abbicca|Abbicca@insightbb.com|18:05:24|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 06:05 PM (Eastern) by 74.132.217.118

But my husband is a LEGAL one...and I'd be offended if anyone lumped him in with people who did not file the correct paperwork BEFORE entering this country, pay the fees for the paperwork, fulfill their end of the agreement to STAY and work, and pay and file taxes each year. Since the "illegals" are EXACTLY that----they came into our country without filing paperwork, have never paid taxes, nor paid into medicare and social security...yet have been ALREADY given medical care and free education (which our own citizens do NOT get!!)... I see no reason not to call them ILLEGAL.

And, IMHO, calling them aliens is an INSULT to every hard working, law abiding, legal alien in the US. An alien is NOT the same as an illegal immigrant...PERIOD.

I'm sorry if the term "illegal" offends...but I call anyone who steals a thief, anyone who commits rape is a rapist...and anyone in this country by anything OTHER than legal means..is an ILLEGAL alien. It is not a dirty word...it is the true term for their status. If you must sugar coat it....then use the ridiculous "politically correct" term of 'undocumented' immigrant...and by all means... at the same time please read "Petite Child who wears red and the large misunderstood lupine" to your kids...and NOT Little Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf.

Normally I try to censor myself and NOT tread on toes....but I just don't see molly coddling what is the TRUE term...and NOT a bad word. (I shall now don my flame retardant suit for the upcoming comments) 21|2|Just to clarify cause|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|18:11:00|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 06:11 PM (Eastern) by 71.179.219.19

I was short on temper and time last night. Amy very well stated my opinion. An alien like my fil who took all the steps and pays taxes is way different than an illegal.

I don't frankly see the difference what the big deal with the name illegal is. That's like calling a thief a thief. People are all up at arms they are labeling the man who murdered in Ft. Hood a muslim. But when you go handing our Qur'ans before you do this then shout Allahu Akbar (god is great) while shooting down your comrades guess what... you're a muslim. Denying the truth doesn't change it from being the truth.

"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 22|2|Abbica..ROFL...that was classic|petunia1|sweetpea39@comcast.net|18:13:08|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 06:13 PM (Eastern) by 69.253.199.199

ROFL from the :

and by all means... at the same time please read "Petite Child who wears red and the large misunderstood lupine" to your kids...and NOT Little Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 23|3|Abbica ~ very well put, I agree 100%. You did a very good job putting into words what a lot of people think and agree with. |jen_ron|bugsmamma@earthlink.net|18:23:10|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 06:23 PM (Eastern) by 64.136.27.227

*Should I get my flame retardant clothing ready too?? LOL

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Posted on Nov-06-09 at 06:28 PM (Eastern) by 68.192.47.250

Carol 25|2|Thank-you, Amy. Looks as if your comment was not to debate the issue but to belittle me for|Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|22:29:18|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 10:29 PM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

the way I apparantly like to sugar coat things. I will do as you say and read the petite child who wears red and the large misunderstood lupine and not Little red riding hood if that will make you feel better.
Cathie 26|1|I hope I didn't offend anyone either...more inside...|RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|23:24:23|11/06/2009|

Posted on Nov-06-09 at 11:24 PM (Eastern) by 68.57.156.68

I guess I just get all riled up when I see foreigners/illegals or whatever you want to call them, come over here and get things and we can't even get insurance or anything. We are all friends here and even though we don't always see eye to eye on things, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions. My great grand parents came over here from Italy at the turn of the century and they went through all the papers and things and became citizens here. I even have the papers. My great uncle gave them to me, because he knows I love genealogy and figured I would treasure them. Anyways I just don't want anyone upset or mad at me. Hugs, Rebekka

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27|2|Im sorry Amy, sometimes we all need to "tweek" our sensitivity chip|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|07:12:06|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 07:12 AM (Eastern) by 98.231.6.201

Your opinion is yours and thats fine, but your post seems to be a bit too personal and Im sure offensive to some. Sometimes that doesnt matter, but here, amongst "friends" it does. It seems your words were directed to those involved in the post whose opinions you didnt agree with....none of the participants in this post are unfamiliar to any of us and as I read I can tell this is a sensative issue for some. When I have a strong opinion about something and I find myself in a debate with someone Im fond of, it makes me see things from another perspective. If its someone I dont know I could debate all day and never consider anything else. Its just not good when our opinions hurt someone we care about....we can stand behind what we believe without being sarcastic or hurtful. I hope I expressed myself in a way that wont alienate me any further, its amazing how trying to respectfully disagree on this board is unacceptable if you do disagree with the "wrong" person (clearly that doesnt matter to me ;0)) 34|3|Blessedx5 that was very beautifully stated!|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|18:58:50|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 06:58 PM (Eastern) by 96.39.161.44

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35|3|Maybe you need to reread what Amy posted...|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|19:44:56|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 07:44 PM (Eastern) by 173.75.166.140

Cathie clearly stated she did NOT bother to watch the video. It's kinda hard to make a generic post like she did when she didn't bother to even watch the video. Stating you don't like a particular tv personality or channel is just an opinion. We all have our likes and dislikes. Amy was commenting on the insane status of the political correctness in this country. It's getting to be the whiny minority has control over what is said or done. For example Christmas. Like 90 some percent of USA citizens celebrate Christmas. Yet almost every store in the country has banned the use of Merry Christmas by their employees to their customers. At what point do we let the minority rule??? A popular comedian we watch told a joke at one of his performances about how he went to a local Chinese restaurant. While there he asked for a fork and knife as he was struggling with the chopsticks. He was told no as they were trying to keep the authenticity of the "chinese" atmosphere. He laughed and said if the guy he was talking to wasn't named Bob and the waiter not John maybe he coulda run with that lol. The point is someone Chinese in the audience of this performance got offended and stomped out. And the comedian had his future performances at that location canceled. IT WAS a JOKE!!! When I was growing up years ago holy cow every joke was a racial joke of some sort. No race, person, or short coming was safe. At one point did we decide that we can't laugh at ourselves??? To me that's truly sad.

All of this said, Amy was not intentionally hurting anyone's feelings. She just states her mind and put a little humor in it. She actually was honked at me for stating alien and illegal were the same. I read what she wrote and rolled. She pointed out the error of my thought and how I simply confused the issue. If someone takes offense to everything we ever write what's the point in writing. There are posts on here all the time it's called Freedom of Speech. Get your feelings hurt, jump in and disagree. There was no naming calling or personal attacks. And everyone of those who have posted blaming Amy frankly tick me off. I love Amy and know her well. If you think Amy would hurt someone then you simply don't know her at all.

"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 36|4|I did, but I still think what blessed said was right on. I think we just see all of this differently. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion and still being sensitive to other members feelings. After all Cathie is also very well loved around here. I'm just sayin'|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|20:20:57|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 08:20 PM (Eastern) by 96.39.161.44

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Posted on Nov-07-09 at 09:55 AM (Eastern) by 74.70.243.72

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Posted on Nov-07-09 at 10:13 AM (Eastern) by 205.188.116.68

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Posted on Nov-07-09 at 11:23 AM (Eastern) by 74.132.217.118

And I am disgusted to say...everything in that report is true. And I watched the video....which got my dander up last night. Part of my above comment was from actually seeing the clip and responding to the person in the opening.... about free health care and free education (part of the video).

Part of my post (the sarcastic part, I admit), was because I got upset at seeing someone lump my DH in with people who broke laws and have been given stuff for free. We went through a year long process and over $500 in fees... plus the paperwork, time, etc to comply with the laws on this country. And by merely stating that someone who didn't come into this country by legal channels...is called an "illegal" somehow offends. My main goal was to say it is just a true term...no offense meant, and I don't understand how the term "illegal" is an offense. Yes, I got sarcastic.... my family admits I was born that way--- not really meant to be directed AT ANYONE....but rather at the new political correctness.... fear of offending anyone which has gripped our nation. I normally DO keep my mouth shut, because I KNOW I am sarcastic and bound to offend someone (whether I truly mean to or not).

I am plain spoken and call 'em like I see 'em. I am also a blonde who likes blonde jokes---lord forbid a totally non-correct ideology to begin with. And, in general, I believe I cannot please everyone all the time...nor would I want to---as that ends up pleasing NO ONE. Sorry if the sarcasm made anyone mad---but the whole thought of "illegals" being handed more than what our own citizens are entitled to...upsets me GREATLY. Even more so to hear that taxpayers would be paying for the legal fees to implement this! And heaven knows, it would be at the hugely overstated government billing rate (the same one that pays hundreds for a toilet seat or hammer). And I've seen this same government placing liens on taxpayers houses---yet totally willing to forgive all back taxes (and social security and medicare) to people in this country illegally. Plus paying a foreign country to help them entice people to stay (and not being able to direct WHERE that money goes to---in a country possibly more corrupt than our own.)...it's insane.

We are all entitled to our own opinions....and one of mine is that political correctness can go too far at times. Sometimes the best term for something is the simplest and most direct. And for anyone who is offended by simple and direct...then I apologize.

Oh yeah, and before I forget...THANK YOU to the op for bringing the bill to everyone's attention. I believe it needs to be seen and not hushed up as I find it frustrating to think our government would ever THINK of passing something like this. 31|2|We NEED to Call/Email Our Representatives About This!!|Geri|geristiber@webtv.net|13:11:18|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 01:11 PM (Eastern) by 76.197.129.38

We need to let our representatives know how we feel about this. 32|2|I agree with everything you've posted -- you speak for a lot of us|KellyJef|burke3536@yahoo.com|13:24:29|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 01:24 PM (Eastern) by 205.188.116.68

You've expressed your opinion succinctly and intelligently. 33|2|You're very welcome Abbicca..|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|13:47:35|11/07/2009|

Posted on Nov-07-09 at 01:47 PM (Eastern) by 204.8.46.34

Although I post often in regards to anything that will affect us all in one way or another - healthcare, vaccines, bills, GMO-foods, immigration, etc., etc, which our govt. hides a lot of info we should be concerned about will spread the word to others if they are not informed about it. For a long time now, our govt. is not working for the American people in many ways, taking away more of our freedoms daily and that's the scary part of it all. Sharon:) 38|3|Sharon Please READ!|cashcoll|cashcoll@yahoo.com|15:00:41|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 03:00 PM (Eastern) by 70.178.80.225

This is the info I found on this -- this is JUST AN FYI!!!!

The information is from "2007"

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This is the one they are talking about:

A chain letter has been making the rounds invites people to watch an alarming sounding video of Lou Dobbs on CNN about an immigration bill.

EVEN CNN IS GETTING UPSET ABOUT THIS!!!!!! Pass this on after you watch it. NOTICE THAT THIS IS FROM CNN, NOT FOX!!!

This from CNN news: http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26.wmv

This 2-minute video should be mandatory viewing for every US citizen. If you have never passed anything on before, pass this on! Every American should be outraged!

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http://www.joewein.net/hoax/hoax-lou-dobbs-video-on-immigration-amnesty-bill.htm#example

The truth is, regardless how acurate or inaccurate his description of the provisions of the the bill he talks is, the video is from June 2007 and the bill is long dead. It never became law. This YouTube link takes you to the same video, with an upload date of June 25, 2007. Bill S. 1348 ("Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007" or "Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007") died in June 2007 due to lack of support in Congress. Yes, that's more than a year and a half before Barack Obama became President of the USA. President George W. Bush expressed his "disappointment" at lawmakers failing to pass a bill.

Please review: information is from "2007"

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007


Senate immigration bill suffers crushing defeat (cnn.com)
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/28/immigration.congress/index.html

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Known email hoaxes:

The AOL/Microsoft money giveaway hoax
The "809" area code hoax
The burned baby hoax
Amy Bruce / Make A Wish hoax
The "Invitation" virus hoax
The "Life is beautiful" virus hoax
The Oliver North / Osama bin Ladin / Al Gore hoax
Send spam to the South African police to save children
Exxon/Mobile gas boycott
Bush IQ report / Lovenstein Institute hoax
Monkeyman935 warning hoax
Kidney Theft urban legend
Ashley Flores, 13 (missing child hoax)
How to detect a two-way mirror
$50 call-back spam
Cooking an egg with cell phones
"Osama captured" / "Osama hanged" virus
A tale of Japanese Lizards and Love
The $5 killer
Audi A8 made out of silver
ATM PIN code entered in reverse will call the police
Mars spectacularly close to Earth on August 27
"An old lady walked into a Grocery Store..."
"Allah or the Lord Jesus Christ?"
"PDA+GSM Palm Treo 650 dan Treo 680 dan Treo 750"
Bayer drug contains HIV
Forward or lose your Hotmail account
Chinese "fix" jet engine with seatbelts
AOL will donate five cents for baby's brain cancer operation
Ericsson distributing free laptops
Art Bell Filipino hate letter
Hypodermic needles on gas pump handles
"Through a rapist's eyes" / Crying Baby theory
Sheryl Crow / John Hopkins Cancer update about plastic bottles
Children buried alive in Egypt, saved by Jesus
Missing child - Regina George Muņoz
Papaya Juice - (NOT!) A Cure for Dengue
Hiroshima 64 years later (is actually Yokohama)
Lou Dobbs video on Immigration/Amnesty bill (dead since 2007)


Thanks
Teresa


Have a Great Day!

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GO HOGS GO!!
Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooiee!
43|4|Wow Teresa, good sleuthing....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|16:48:08|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 04:48 PM (Eastern) by 68.37.73.164

this threw me for a loop, will have to inform hubby about this. We get thrown at so many angles with so much different info that I just don't know what is true anymore and I really believe the MSM keeps us distracted with all the craziness going on today. My apologies and will no longer post any political/health/government, etc., subjects on this board. 46|5|Sharon, what a mature, responsible comment...though I dont agree with some of your posts I do respect your opinion and have found some of them to be very informative.....|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|17:21:03|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 05:21 PM (Eastern) by 66.177.30.91

eventhough I dont always comment, I do read them.... 39|1|To bad it was posted without the date then there wouldn't have been a problem|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|15:14:20|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 03:14 PM (Eastern) by 96.28.100.251

>Posted on Nov-05-09 at 10:50 PM (Eastern)
>by 204.8.46.34My husband just told me
>about this CNN news reported by
>Lou Dobbs. This is not
>an accident or a mistake.
>This is part of a plan
>to destroy our way of life.
> Very sad. Our government
>has been hijacked.
>
>
>Subj: CNN News, not Fox -- You
>won't believe this!!
>
>
>
>
>It just keeps getting better.. This is
>unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>I KNEW this was going to happen.
> (That way Obama wasn't lying
>when he said illegals would not
>be able to get medical coverage
>under his ObamaCare plan. His
>simple fix is to make them
>all legal first.)
>
>
>EVERY ONE--PLEASE TAKE TIME TO LISTEN TO
>THIS--IT TELLS ABOUT THE BILL GOING
>THRU CONGRESS RIGHT NOW REGARDING IMMIGRATION.
>
>EVEN CNN IS GETTING UPSET ABOUT
>THIS!!!!!!!!!!
>Pass this on after you watch it.
> NOTICE THAT THIS IS
>FROM CNN, NOT FOX!!!
>
>This from CNN news:
> http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26.wmv
> This 2-minute video should
>be mandatory viewing for every
> US citizen.
>If you have never passed
>anything on before, pass this
>on! Every American
>should be outraged!
>


40|1|WOW Teresa...now THATS what I call "looking into" something|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|15:31:56|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 03:31 PM (Eastern) by 66.177.30.91

;0)

good catch! 41|1|This actually makes sense if it was coming from CNN back in 2007...that was pre-Obama, so to CNN they were hanging this on Bush.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|15:37:47|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 03:37 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


42|2|good point Joy...it did kinda throw me for a loop this would have come from cnn with Obama in office, eventhough Lou Dobbs isnt the fondest of him it still kinda made me say hmmmm...|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|15:43:17|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 03:43 PM (Eastern) by 66.177.30.91

;0) 44|3|i feel bad for lou dobbs he tried|tarasdream|jumpwoman23@hotmail.com |17:15:48|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 05:15 PM (Eastern) by 173.169.47.6

reporting on something about obama i think it was the birth certificate thing and he almost got fired and then he started getting death threats. and the other day someone shot at his house and almost hit his wife 45|4|that is nutz...why would somebody shoot at this mans home...that is horrible....|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|17:17:54|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 05:17 PM (Eastern) by 66.177.30.91

;0( 47|4|Lou Dobbs lives right near where I lived in NJ very rural area|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|17:44:00|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 05:44 PM (Eastern) by 96.28.100.251

>Posted on Nov-08-09 at 05:15 PM (Eastern)
>by 173.169.47.6reporting on something about obama
>i think it was the birth
>certificate thing and he almost got
>fired and then he started getting
>death threats. and the other day
>someone shot at his house and
>almost hit his wife


48|5|Sharon, PLEASE Do Not Quit Posting - We still need your info & it can help alot of people!!!!!!!|cashcoll|cashcoll@yahoo.com|19:01:32|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 07:01 PM (Eastern) by 70.178.80.225

Have a Great Day!

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GO HOGS GO!!
Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooiee!
49|6|And it also gets people to read and investigate issues for themselves, rather than taking everything they hear in the MSM to be fact and truth.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|19:12:14|11/08/2009|

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 07:12 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

~Abraham Lincoln


50|1|Yes....this has not totally gone away though|Abbicca|Abbicca@insightbb.com|20:13:06|11/08/2009|

Last edited on Nov-08-09 at 08:32 PM (Eastern) by 74.132.217.118

Posted on Nov-08-09 at 08:13 PM (Eastern) by 74.132.217.118

When I looked into it I found it WAS submitted in 2007----right after the Democrats took over the House in Fall of 2006. It was their big kick back then (like health care is now).

Like all bills...this has been pigeon holed until someone opts to dust it off and resubmit it. But with the same party in control of Congress.....it worries me that AFTER they get health care off their plates, that they'll start on a steam roller. And some of the same people who started that last submission of it are still in Congress---hence the fear that we have NOT heard the last of this--nor has it ever been changed.

Seeing that video, I thought it had been resubmitted again......turns out...thus far it hasn't because health care is on the front burner. But with elections next year.... we all know everyone pulls something out of the old trick bag to campaign with.

Glad to hear it is NOT actually out in the open at the moment....but it never hurts to hear about what still lurks in the minds and hearts of our politicians (nightmares anyone?? LOL)

51|2|if you dont want the health|tarasdream|jumpwoman23@hotmail.com |13:51:42|11/09/2009|

Posted on Nov-09-09 at 01:51 PM (Eastern) by 173.169.47.6

care bill to pass please call your congressman and whoever else you can and ask them to vote against it 52|3|This HAS NOT gone away.......see inside|Beaglesfly|lmllr77@aol.com|00:02:54|11/17/2009|

Last edited on Nov-17-09 at 00:03 AM (Eastern) by 64.12.116.68

This article is dated yesterday.....

"Illegals could be legal as quickly as next year"

Obama's senior advisor said today that a plan to grant citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants in the U.S. is in the works and could be made law as early as next year.

On CNN's "State of the Union" with John King, the White House's David Axelrod dodged a question asking him to commit to pushing immigration reform regardless of the political climate, but nonetheless confirmed earlier hints by Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano that Democrats and Republicans are working behind the scenes to pass major new legislation....

More information at:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=116174