Please read and pass along to everyone you know! This is just unbelievable & this must not pass - it will be a nightmare!!
THE 50 REASONS TO STOP OBAMACARE:
1) Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this--the Internal Health Revenue Service?
2) Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.
3) Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.
4) Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.
5) PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.
6) Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.
7) Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.
8) PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.
9) Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it. Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.
10) PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.
11) PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.
12) Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.
13) PG 85, line 7 provides for specifics on benefit levels for Medicare recipients, basically rationing the care of every senior citizen I the United States.
14) PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.
15) Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.
16) Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.
17) Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.
18) Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.
19) Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.
20) Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.
21) Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.
22) Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.
23) Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.
24) PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it says that.
25) Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.
26) Pg 241, line 6-8 mandates that all doctors receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.
27) PG 253, line 10-18 allows the federal government to set the value of doctor's time, professional judgment.
28) PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!
29) PG 268, Sec 1141 regulates the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
30) PG 272, Sec. 1145 regulates the operation of certain types of cancer hospitals, again rationing the care of cancer patients.
31) Page 280, Sec 1151 allows the government to penalize hospitals for what is deemed to be preventable readmissions. So instead of being sued for malpractice, the government will be the punitive body when mistakes are made.
32) Pg 298, lines 9-11 mandates that if a doctor treats a patient during initial admission and that result in a re-admission, the doctor will be subject to federal penalties. Gee do you think that’s going to drive up the cost of malpractice?
33) Pg 317, lines 13-20 will create prohibitions on ownership and investment in the health service industry for doctors.
34) Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.
35) pg 321, lines 2-13 allows hospitals apply for an exception to the expansion rule but they must seek community input first!
36) Pg335, lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 mandates the establishment of outcome based health care, an insidious idea that actually limits the treatment choices made by patients with their doctors, based upon the patient’s health and condition. This will result in the oldest, weakest and sickest patients being denied treatments simply because the statistics for success in their demographic category are poor! This is a form of health care rationing that will save money at the expense of seniors to help buy insurance for the uninsured, most of whom are young and healthy!
37) Pg 341, lines 3-9 allows the government to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans and HMO forcing people into the government run public plan.
38) Pg 354, Sec 1177 will arbitrarily restrict the enrollment of special needs children and adults.
39) Pg 379, Sec 1191 mandates the creation of even more bureaucracy in the Telehealth Advisory Committee.
40) PG 425, lines 4-12 mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation,” another insidious vehicle to save money by encouraging seniors who are in poor health to be more accepting of death rather than fighting to stay alive and healthy and with their loved ones.
41) Pg 425, lines 17-19 mandates that all senior patients will be consulted regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
42) PG 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3 provides an approved list of end of life resources, to help guide seniors about the process of dying!
43) PG 427, lines 15 mandates program for orders on the end of life, actually giving the government a say in how your life ends!
44) Pg 429, lines 1-9 dictates the frequency with which an Advance Care Planning Consultant will have to meet with patients as their health deteriorates.
45) PG 429, lines 10-12 give an Advance Care Planning Consultant the power to order end of life plans for a patient.
46) Pg 429, lines 13-25 will only allow certain doctors, not necessarily your own physician, to write an end of life order.
47) PG 430, lines 11-15 allows the government to decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
48) Pg 469 mandates “Community Based Home Medical Services” through non profits like ACORN. Happy yet that we elected a community organizer to the White House?
49) PG 489, Sec 1308 force taxpayers to pay for Marriage & Family therapy under the public insurance plan.
50) Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed to treat, again rationing this care.
1|1|You forgot Page 16 Once the bill is enacted no one will be allowed to enroll in a private hmo you HAVE to enroll in the "Gov't Option Heatthcare"|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|23:02:20|07/27/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 2|2|Sorry, my hubby forwarded this info to me, thanks! nt|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|23:07:00|07/27/2009|
nt 3|3|50) Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed to treat, again rationing this care.|angNC|memawang@embarqmail.com|00:30:46|07/28/2009|
I know I am crazy, but I haven't lost my mind!
I think this is nothing but communism or dictorship.
Wanting only the perfect people.
Tonight on the world news nothing was talk about but obseity and heathcare reform.
Sorry but just to much government
4|4|I agree with you Angie, and I've said it all along, we are headed toward communism/dictatorship~*~I wish I could move to a deserted island~*~|RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|00:33:43|07/28/2009|
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5|5|ditto|angNC|memawang@embarqmail.com|00:36:58|07/28/2009|
so true 6|5|This is Tyranny...the elites are getting scared because many folks are waking up....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|01:45:53|07/28/2009|
so we have to fight back!! Otherwise this will be the end of America as we know it! 7|1|This is a disgrace.....I'm horrified what our government is trying to do|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|07:17:45|07/28/2009|
praying that this will NOT go through. 8|2|Take a look at this|STEVE|STEVBOLT@WMIS.NET|08:28:18|07/28/2009|
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If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income t axes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to Cinco de Cuatro in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded hes a hypocrite?
If George W. Bushs administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he is inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approv ed?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 10 weeks -- so you'll have three years and nine-and-a-half months to come up with an answer
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9|3|Bush is starting to look really good|angNC|memawang@embarqmail.com|09:20:42|07/28/2009|
I hope this will open alot of eyes to Obama 10|4|Unfortunately some eyes are opened too little too late|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|10:21:56|07/28/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 13|4|Bush, like Obama are merely puppets for the elite....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|11:07:52|07/28/2009|
The elite are the secret societies of the world - never talked about in MSM - look it up - Bilderbergs, Illuminati, Rockefellers, Rothschilds (they go way back in History and also control the banks), etc. Here's a video called Money Masters - very long, and will open your eyes!! This is nothing new as this has happened over and over throughout History. Just different names, different time period.
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 11|1|Funny, I don't know a single person who will not admit to voting for this ... person|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|10:39:33|07/28/2009|
I NEVER write about politics. I hate politics. I don't converse about politics (which is difficult in my house since my son is a political science major) but this has gone beyond politics. This has become human rights.
WTH were these people thinking? It wasn't enough of a hint that he was going after the very young, first-time voters who, excuse the expression, don't know their ass from their elbows?
I was at my sons college graduation and the speaker congratulated them on "creating history" and voting in a black man. I sat in my seat and said, not to softly, "I'm sorry but EVERY election is historical -- this one is just historically bad." Not a single student (and there were over 2500 of them) clapped at this statemetn by the speaker. Not a single student said anything about how great this was. Not a single student shook their head in agreement. My son said that from the student seats all you heard was "yeah, we're f'd" or "who the hell voted for him?" Even THEY won't admit it and these kids have been sheltered from reality for the last 20-25 years of their lives by parents like you and I who have supported them and insured them and taken care of them. NOW they are seeing just what the impact of that vote was.
His arrogance just floors me. For any of you following the Cambridge, MA Police case -- he was SOOOO out of line, it's not funny. And as a way of apology, he is offering the police officer a BEER? WTH? Now we are fixing issues with BEER?
I'm so disgusted. I'm so worried and concerned. As if the financial situation of our country wasn't enough damage, this insurance thing will surely thin out the herd. And nobody saw this coming? None of those people who put a checkmark next to his name saw anything wrong with that candidate? Wow... for an informed nation, we really screwed this one up.
And, for the record -- NO, I did not vote for him. In fact, for the first time in my 37 voting years, I did not vote for anyone because there wasn't a candidate in my mind. So, I guess I can be just as guilty as those who voted him in. No candidate is perfect, but wow, we really missed the mark this time. And only 3 years and 6 months to go. Groan. 12|2|DAMN- typo. I meant not a single person who WILL admit voting for him.|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|10:40:05|07/28/2009|
... 14|3|I will admit to voting for him....for several reasons|BusterBrown|srfreezerqueen@hotmail.com|11:28:03|07/28/2009|
Quick list as i am late getting to the po...
1-I liked him one hell of a lot better than John Mccain/sarah palin...mccain was too old...palin too inexperienced...(just look at what she did in alaska since the election...stepping away?...not how to handle governership...
2-if something happened to him...I thoroughly support Joe Biden...sorry, but i do...
3-and in my opinion....Bush took us to an unneccessary war...much like vietnam...yes, we did need to do something....but it needed to be handled much differently,.....
and truthfully-sharon makes a good point...for many recent presidents are simply figureheads for the more wealthy/powerful people...
end of my involvement in this post....have a great day....Jodie 15|4|How can you call Palin unexperienced.... compared to Obama???|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|11:35:34|07/28/2009|
Edited to add;
Palin atleast was a governor.. Obama was a senator for a whole 200 and some days. No other experience and more often than not he didn't vote he just voted "present". Wish he would stick with that 'present' vote while he's in office.
17|5|I have said all along.....he will be the ruin of the U.S....lots thought Bush was bad.......but|couponsnsamples|couponsnsamples@hotmail.com|12:07:28|07/28/2009|
i think everyone is getting a reality check........for the record......I didnt like Bush...and i sure dont like Obama.........
sometimes i think the 3 Stoogies could do a better job! 24|2|You can believe that I didn't vote for him or his lies.|Barbie|BHumphries@charter.net|15:26:39|07/28/2009|
Feedback link:
http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/1278.html 93|2|I voted for President Obama...|inthesticks|inthesticks@alltel.net|20:28:28|07/31/2009|
and am proud to have done so. This country is in bad shape, and something needs to change. WE need health care, we need alternatives to oil, we need allies around the world, we need to tighten our belts and conserve. President Obama is bringing about major changes, and people are running around like chickens with their heads cut off...squawk, squawk, squawk!
If Obama and the Democrats in power don't provide the change that is so needed in this country, then nobody else will. Certainly not the GOP...which seems to be stuck in a rut of the same old, tired politics that don't work anymore. The country is moving on. 16|1|I agree Kristy-- at least Palin served time in her political job -- unlike Obama|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|12:05:25|07/28/2009|
This isn't a statement of whether she did a good job or not -- just simply that she did it! 18|2|Obama is a joke.... just look at his latest involvement in my state of MA!!!|debmac2|mcsport6@comcast.net|14:37:45|07/28/2009|
He got involved in what he thought was a "racial" issue .... he even stated that he did not have all the facts, but he still went on record to accuse a police sergeant in Cambridge,MA of acting "stupidly" .... Now he has eaten crow.... and cannot back pedal fast enough. He blatantly took the side of his friend, a black professor at Harvard, without even knowing the facts. Police were called to this friend's house by a neighbor cuz she thought it was a B and E(Breaking and Entering).... and the Professor was uncooperative and aggressive to the police who responded. HE was offended that they asked him for identification as it was his own house ..... Long story short, the WHOLE Cambridge Police Department is standing by this police sergeant for the way he handled this,etc. If you ask me, I think the Professor was trying to bait the police by using the race issue .... and Obama backed him up.... but now that the facts have come out, and everyone is standing by Sergeant Crowley, Obama has been apologetic,etc.... even inviting the Professor and Sergeant to Washington this week to have a beer!! On our dime of course!!! But this case is far from over .... Obama did a foolish stupid thing here..... Police and Firemen are Union workers.... and WE WILL NOT FORGET what our wonderful President did!!!! 19|3|What a FUBAR, huh Deb? This has been the most stupid thing...|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|14:44:07|07/28/2009|
.. 21|4|Yes Robin, and it far from being over.... all over the news, morning noon and night.... ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!|debmac2|mcsport6@comcast.net|15:05:20|07/28/2009|
Debbie
22|5|Its the only thing that took Michael Jackson out of the spotlight|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|15:06:29|07/28/2009|
Give it up already. The cop was doing his freaking job. Can you imagine -- just for a second -- that they walked away and there WAS someone else in that house and they freaking killed the guy. Whose fault would that have been??? 20|1|Look @ this letter from a former VP at P& G|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|14:53:01|07/28/2009|
Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America 's true living legends- an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.
AN OPEN LETTER TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
TRUE - CHECK: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp
This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it. Big surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits. Keep it going. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. It's happening right now.
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!)
27|2|Wow - anyone who isn't scared after reading that has no fear in their hearts|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|15:40:13|07/28/2009|
.. 23|1|I voted for President Obama as well and agree with everything Jodie (Busterbrown) said|Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|15:23:25|07/28/2009|
I will have to read on my own about this healthcare before I completely form my opinion.
Cathie
25|1|I may be flamed but I don't think ANY person or president or whatever|Barbie|BHumphries@charter.net|15:30:02|07/28/2009|
Has the right to put down a policeman. I know that there are bad ones but Obama spoke without knowing the facts and then tried to smooth things over by saying, "Hey let's talk about this over a beer"...I am apalled. I am a Christian and want Christian leadership in this country. He has never ever said that he was a Christian. He only said that he was a member of that wacko that curses church.
Feedback link:
http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/1278.html 26|2|Our requirements for the office of Presidency...|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|15:39:19|07/28/2009|
Article 2, Section of the Constitution:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Not, I will defend Christianity or any other religion. 28|2|No flaming Barbie -- just praise -- well put|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|15:40:50|07/28/2009|
.. 29|1|My signature line says it all for me....|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:00:23|07/28/2009|
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Posted on Jul-28-09 at 04:00 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
I have to agree with Mr Pritchett on one point in particular....I can not say with confidence that conversations like this on the internet will be without consequences in the coming years.
Is Obama entirely to blame? Of course not....there is a much bigger 'machine' at work here, people....he is a pawn, like many, many others in positions of power. But I think he is more willing to play the game that some before him.
And I don't feel he is upholding the Constitution either...but neither are the other elected officials in Washington, DC.
They are greedy, gorging themselves on their power and influence....bloated with money, position, and control.
And it is getting quickly to the point of no return...how safe would you feel in the coming years to be one who REALLY takes a stand?? I mean, a real revolution? Taking back our country by force.....because there will be no voting these power mongers out, I don't even know how much I believe in the voting process anymore.
Robin, you had some opinions on this that I share strongly....I am sincerely afraid for the fate of our country, the futures of our children.
30|1|I'm just curious...what kind of health plan do you think would be better? |jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|16:31:29|07/28/2009|
the public is given the option to STAY with their current HMO or health insurance provider. So alot of this affects people who don't have ANY insurance at all. So rather than deal with a public option you would rather have nothing?
Of course there are going to be contingencies attached to a public plan but it's better than nothing isn't it?
I read on here alot how so many people are having issues with their insurance already..and that's people who actually have it. For those others who don't..then what?
Something has to be done to curtail the high cost of insurance. As it is premiums are getting higher and higher b/c someone has to absorb all the costs incurred by people who are getting treated in the ER without any insurance at all. Not to mention all the exorbitant fees attached to needless test, high costs of drugs, etc.
nothing is going to be perfect. I would love to see the other side come up with their own option that will be better. All I ever hear is how this plan (whatever the plan is that Obama is coming out with on any given day) is awful but never do I see an alternative plan.
Something has to be done about the amount of people that do NOT have any health care at all. For 8 years NOTHING was done about it. NOTHING! At least the President is approaching the issue again knowing it's going to be a hot button. Last time another President thought of another solution was Clinton. His plan got squashed. Good or not good doesn't matter..b/c at least he was trying. I haven't seen anyone trying anything for the past 8 years. So say what you will at least the issue is now on the table. 31|2|Jilda, it doesnt frighten you that the doctors hands' will be tied in directing their patients on the treatment options available? That there is a formulation and a matrix to determine who 'deserves' treatments and who doesnt? What gives the govt the right to decide who lives and dies? That if you are of a certain age bracket, or have chronic health problems, or have already been granted some treatments, you are now 'cut off' and nothing more will be done? People will be denied care, not just denied 'coverage' to pay for that care.....|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:37:48|07/28/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
32|3|there is no magic bullet that will solve any of these problems. If the gov't is helping to pay for your|jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|16:43:54|07/28/2009|
Posted on Jul-28-09 at 04:43 PM (Eastern) by 205.228.53.10
insurance..b/c you don't have any at all..and you can't afford to pay for it at all....then I guess they have the right to control aspects of the care you are getting. Of course I don't agree with them making actual life or death decisions..but if it is that scary then you don't get the insurance. But here's the thing..I don't see anyone scared or upset that people with no insurance at all are allowed to get treatment in an ER or wherever..get whatever type of healthcare they need and not pay for it. And my premiums are going up sky high b/c of it. I don't mind helping those that are less fortunate or are in a tough spot..but...here I am paying for my insurance or my employer is and that entitles me to more freedom I guess.
Just like if I'm not on food stamps and I have my own money I can buy whatever I want and whenever I want. but someone on food stamps is controlled on how much they are allowed to spend aren't they? B/c it's a gov't sponsored program and they are restricted. If they don't want the restriction they can pay with their own money.
I don't mean to come across as ..I Don't know what..honestly I believe people not having any health insurance at all is truly awful. They need it and deserve to have it..But funding that for the entire country is going to be a huge task. And of course all these loopholes are going to get thrown in.
It's a very tricky line..but like I said..no one on the other side is coming up with any other solutions at all. the only thing they are doing is stalling. I would love to see an alternative plan instead of constantly seeing people berating the President for at least trying to solve a HUGE problem.
33|4|I understand what youre saying, really, I do....there IS a problem with the uninsured or under-insured...but having the govt take control of it to the extent that they want isnt the answer...it's one thing for them to say that food stamps can't be used on beer or paper products, but another entirely to tell someone they can't have cancer treatment because they've already had treatments twice before. I dont have an answer, if I did I guess I'd be working in Washington, lol....but surely there is a better solution than this. I agree that there is abuse of benefits of medicare and medicaid, I agree that it affects those paying insurance premiums to cover those not insured. But I'd rather pay an 8% increase in my premiums each year to cover that and have the govt out of it all, than to have them dictating people's care. I don't know if I'm communicating it very well, I just know that the thought of it all scares me. What will they ration out and control next??|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:51:14|07/28/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
34|5|I agree it is scary. And what you are saying is totally logical. I just don't think this is all big bad Obama's fault|jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|16:58:54|07/28/2009|
Posted on Jul-28-09 at 04:58 PM (Eastern) by 205.228.53.10
how he is sooo awful for trying to solve this problem. I have read over and over how he is elitist and a joke,etc but not one single person from the other side has come up with reasonable alternatives either.
I doubt any of this is going to pass anyway. Part of me wishes he would concentrate on other issues than this b/c it is going to be squashed exactly the same way it was years ago. And I will continue to have my own health insurance as long as I'm employed with a good company and those that are uninsured will continue to have no health insurance and that population will keep growing..b/c more and more people can't pay their premiums anymore and are willing to go uninsured. So the cycle just keeps going around and around and around.
It's never going to get solved and people will continue to go bankrupt b/c they can't pay their hospital bills or get the needed meds they need b/c they can't afford it. And all those senators who are stalling the process or refusing to come up with something better will continue to get their cushy insurance plans and be covered like kings.
Then when nothing happens and it doesn't get passed at all everyone will blame the President b/c he promised to change the system and there have been no changes. So he lied b/c he didn't fulfill a huge campaign promise.
I absolutely HATE that other countries are healthier than we are. Have better coverage. Their babies don't die as much as our do. And we are supposedly one of the richest countries in the world. Why can't this problem be solved??? why can they do it and we can't?
35|5|I agree 100% with you Joy....this president is a LUNATIC|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|16:59:57|07/28/2009|
I didn't vote for this man because I felt he was not capable...now I feel as if he's out to control and ration every aspect of our lives....seriously, this is quite scary and in my opinion, I feel will only get worse. He knows nothing about "We the people....." it's only about him and the nutcase groups he wants to endorse....
36|1|None of it is written in stone all of it is just a proposed bill it still needs to pass being voted on by all those elected officals if it pass's it really doesn't all fall|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|17:03:53|07/28/2009|
on the shoulders of one elected offical it will( should) fall upon all the shoulders of those who vote for it all those elected officals that were e;ected by the whole country and if they are all wrong then you all better be willing to stand up and run to get your ideas passed as if the people who we all elected do us so wrong they should be shown the door when elections come around again 37|2|Absolutely, T...no one person is responsible....but I also think that the public's romance with Obama has something to do with how those other elected officials are proceeding...they are cow-towing to his every whim and wish because they think that will get them re-elected with their constituents. They arent really proceeding with their constituents best interests at heart, it's all about the position and power, the money, and the invasion of govt into any aspect of Americans' lives they can pull off. |saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|17:10:07|07/28/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
38|3|But why need a national heathcare when these uninsured CAN go to an ER and be treated... unlike other countries we provide that here|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|17:17:41|07/28/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 40|4|They should start with some reform on the existing govt plans, ie, Medicare and Medicaid....but it's not usually the recipients who are abusing, it is the institutions that are providing their care....I see this first hand in the long-term care setting, as well as short-term stays for rehabilitation and therapies after an illness or surgery.....start with those and then get more stringent with the recipients who are abusing (parents that take their children to the ER for the sniffles instead of going to their PCP for example).|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|17:36:12|07/28/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
39|3|Well rhen we have elected awhole bunch of |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|17:21:35|07/28/2009|
officals who do not have "cashews" and not just one man who people think is the sole problem 41|1|Another letter |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|17:41:06|07/28/2009|
Here is one from my former governor that sums it up very well:
The dire predictions made in your editorial Repealing Erisa (July 21) are already playing out in the over-governed state of Maryland, where state officials, armed with the authority found in the House of Representatives health bill, have foisted 66 separate mandates on private employers looking to provide employees with health-care insurance; thats 66 mandated benefits, whether the employee wants them or not. Employers must pay for them alleverything from hair prostheses to in-vitro fertilization to massage therapyor provide no coverage at all. It should surprise no one, therefore, that employer-provided health-insurance plans in Maryland cost 12% more than the national average.
The lesson for Congress? Giving government bureaucrats the power to dictate benefits with little regard for cost is to invite failurefailure to either control costs or encourage the efficient delivery of health-care services.
The debate in Washington is another reminder that our current political class, in the words of the White House, is loathe to let a crisis go to waste. In this case, the folks in charge are less interested in solving a health-care crisis than loading up politically popular, taxpayer-funded giveaways. This kind of government intervention is one of the reasons our health-care system is so expensive. Enough is enough.
Robert L. Ehrlich Jr.
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!)
42|2|an opinion from someone uninsured|crenchen|crenchen@aol.com|18:35:49|07/28/2009|
My family does not have health insurance at this time because where my hubby works they want $165 a week for a 50/50 plan which is crazy because sometimes he may only bring hom3 $275 a week so can't afford that. My doctor charges $45 to see me which is a good deal to me because she always gives me samples and low cost perscriptions. I need blood work and my sugar was hight 2 years ago but I can afford to have the tests done to see if I have sugar or not. I have a spot on my lung that was found 4 years ago and was monitored for the first 2 with cat scans (had insurance at the time), the last cat scan I did not have insurance and I ended up paying over $800 for that test. My doctor wanted to check it every year, it has been two years now and I haven't had it checked because of no insurance. My daughter had an ear infection and pick eye, her doctor charged $130 for a office visit which I had to come up with $65 before she would see her. She had a strep test done while she was there and I ended up with a bill almost $300 that I am paying on not to mention that the eye drops cost $48 for a bottle no bigger than nothing. I have a friend who's grand daughter was drunk and stuck her fist through a window pulled it back and tore it up and had to have a 8 hour surgery to fix her arm back, she was live flighted to the hospital. She has no insurance and the doctor won't see her again until she comes up with at least $150. Another friend went to the ER last week because she was sick, no insurance, they did a chest exray and found a mass on her right lung. She had to come up with $200 for the specialist she went to see just for him to tell her it was lung cancer and that is going to have to have surgery. The hospital told her that she could fill out paper work and it would probably all be written off except for the doctors bill which is going to be costly for her also. So who knows what else she will have to go through and how much money she will have to come up with each time before someone sees her. I see everyones point of view on this, and trust me I remember what it was like to have a good insurance plan and be able to go to the doctor anytime you thought you needed to. I am not a voter so I did not vote for Obama but I did like what the man had to say and I will admit that this last election was the first time I really paid attention to one or was intersted in one. Everytime the president is on talking about health care I am glued to the tv. Sure there is going to be highs and lows but I personally hope he gets a health care program for people like me who's family is doing without insurance and need something, anything so that they do not get so overloaded with healthcare bills that they can't pay them. And on the food stamp issue, this is one that I hate, because I work at a grocery store and I see how people who abuse that system. My family consists of myself, hubby, daughter and my father. My father has been paying my house payment for almost a year now out of his social security check because my husband and I do not make enough at our presents jobs to pay all of the bills. Food stamps would be a blessing for us but we can not get them because my father lives with us and has money in the bank, whick is his retirement money. I see people all the time shopping at the first of the month with carts full, $200 and $300 at a time, and they still have over $500 or $600 for the month, I have even see people shop at the end of the money and still have over $1000 left on their food stamp card. I know that some of this is left over from month to month but that is crazy to me. If you monitor what they people spend from month to month and see their are not spending it all every month then why not cut them back some and give that to someone else who needs it. This is just my opinion and I am all for a healthcare plan because I need one, and Obama isn't going to be perfect at everything he tries to do but at least he is trying to help the uninsured out which is more that some of them have done. 43|3|man did I make alot of typos, lol|crenchen|crenchen@aol.com|18:43:58|07/28/2009|
but I am sure you guys understand what I was saying. Also on the food stamp thing, people come in all the time and have someone with them, ring up the other persons groceries and pay with their food stamp card and then that person gives them the cash, and I personally know of people who do that to get the money for cigs, beer, wine and drugs. People also just give their card to another person with the pin number and left them shop using it and then the person gives them the money. So it really ticks me off when I see people misusing the system that way. And another thing have you ever noticed that some of these people who have a food stamp card ride around with a new car, have a pocket full of money and tons of expensive jewelry on?? I notice this all the time. 44|4|Has anyone seen Obamacare health plan organizational chart?....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|20:17:58|07/28/2009|
It's so mind-boggling, how can anyone understand this crazy maze? I call this insanity!!
http://flapsblog.com/2009/07/15/obamacare-organizational-chart-of-the-house-democrats-health-plan/
45|5|Connie...why should the taxpayers have to pay for the uninsured??|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|20:45:33|07/28/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 46|6|I'm with you Kristy, as stated in this plan.....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|20:52:23|07/28/2009|
states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens. This will bankrupt the whole healthcare system right there!!
47|6|And if this passes, how many people will quit their jobs or take jobs that dont have insurance benefits to get the 'freebie'? I pay almost $500 a month for insurance for myself and DH, my boys are covered by their father, or it would cost me over $900 a month. I EARN that money with my paycheck, I pay my insurance premiums, and yet neither DH nor I hardly ever need to utilize the benefits...I keep us insured because we are both approaching middle age when many health problems arise. This expense cuts into our household income significantly, but I do it to be responsible and to protect other assets we have from being deluged with huge medical expenses should one of us become ill.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:21:24|07/28/2009|
Posted on Jul-28-09 at 09:21 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237
Also, if people are forced into taking this plan, due to employers not providing insurance benefits or because they choose to not take employers' plans, do these same people realize they will still be taxed out of their incomes for this?
This is NOT a freebie! And now I am paying for Medicaid, Medicare, my own insurance, AND this nationalized healthcare plan???? Three of the four of which I don't recieve any benefits! Is this going to eliminate Medicaid? There is not mention of that in the plan. How many govt plans do we need?
It comes around again to the govt having it's sticky little fingers in everyone's pies....they need to keep their hands to themselves.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
48|7|It would be like most gov't things where it takes away the incentive to WORK and EARN it yourself|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|21:53:50|07/28/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 49|6|I would say that taxpayers already do pay for the uninsured...|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|23:10:35|07/28/2009|
Every time someone goes to the ER w/o insurance, guess who pays? 74|7|YOU GOT IT 100%|JOYHAPPYONE|DAIDOLA5@AOL.COM|20:17:30|07/29/2009|
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Amen."
50|1|(private) health insurance is horrible BUT...|aloha2u|alohamillion@yahoo.com|23:29:00|07/28/2009|
I am VERY concerned to have the government run Universal Health Care. Look at everything the government runs and tell me it is not inefficient and often times ineffective. Geez, the mail system should be easy, right? Well...
51|2|Where does your STATE get the funds to help fund MEDICAID? |cashcoll|cashcoll@yahoo.com|01:22:57|07/29/2009|
It is done by the Federal & State goverment.
Teresa
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52|1|Well... America - what the heck happened? I guess it's true... we love fanfare and celebrity more than looking at how the really run a country ...|anothershopper2|ejw14@hotmail.com|02:24:18|07/29/2009|
It's truly sad to see a really wonderful country, build up by the bootstraps of hard working immigrants since the Mayflower... and now, to see this. Truly scary. I worry for my DD. I'm not saying McCain necessarily was better but he could NOT have been worse. I wonder what my friends have to say about this... I live in a democratic state - so my vote is always there but makes no difference in the electoral college. It's those swing states. They STRONGLY supported him (all Christians too - not that evangelicals have to be conservative) but they boasted about how smart he was, how great he was... Highly educated friends of mine with a lot of money too (at least way more than my family). I talked very little politics after that.
There are a lot of factors to consider here with changing the entire system. Such as the incentive for doctors to do a good job and give proper treatment... all of the plans have faults in them - our current system and what is proposed. Something like this really needs a lot of thought and consideration. He is just crazy wanting to push something through. It's just not smart and wise... you'd think a Harvard Grad would know that - but then again, we know that not all Harvard grads are smart. It's like impulse buying at the store that you regret later. THINK buddy!
I think the problem is a big majority of the country is falling into lower classes and frankly, I think this will help them. The rich - well, they always have money to help them. But what about all of us in the middle - who are struggling to make ends met, still pay for insurance and everything else? I'm generalizing here too much - this is definitely a huge debate but suffice to say that I need more trained drs in my family. I have hard enough time finding good drs as it is. CRAP CRAP CRAP... I need to pray a lot more.
Truth is - it's a sad state of affairs when neither party can produce someone worthy of the presidency. That just goes to show just how far behind we are getting in the world. We have had some great presidents in the past from both parties (and parties used to be in existence)... I think it's true... Bush is starting to look really good. Sad sad. But he won the election - what does that say about the majority of Americans? 53|2|I don't agree that people should pay higher taxes|crenchen|crenchen@aol.com|09:25:41|07/29/2009|
but wasn't Obama's plan to tax the people in the higher brackets, or at least that is how I understood it. But until you are a person without insurance and you have children and health issues then you don't know what it is like for us. I have had insurance since I was 18 years old until 2 years ago and I am 48 now. Trust me it is a big burden to have your child sick and knowing that you have to take her to a doctor and can't afford it or the medicine, or not going to the doctor yourself because you are afraid that they will find something wrong and it will end up costing way more than an office visit, and God forbid if you have an accident or have to stay in the hospital. If I ever had to stay in the hospital for anthing the stress of knowing I can't pay the bills would probably kill me alone. You can't afford not to go and get treated but you can't afford to go, so I suffer for as long as I have to because I don't want to take money away from my child for buying food, clothes and making sure she has a roof over her head. If something isn't done there will be alot of people not getting the medical they need and alot of people loosing their homes and filing bankruptcy because of medical bills. If I was lucky enough to have a decent job, stay above water with my bills and had insurance than I would be more than willing to pay higher taxes if it meant it could help people less fortunate than me. And if the nationwide medical means that I have to pay higher taxes than so be it, at least I will have some kind of medical and not have to worry about not having it. 54|3|Not trying to bash you or anyone without insurance but let me ask this|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|09:54:15|07/29/2009|
are you looking for a new job? one that pays insurance? I have been without it but we adjusted our lives to get it I carried the insurance for about two years when my dh lost a job in the past and the new one made us wait for coberage Do you put money into a "sick day " account? one for those times when you need to go? We have insurance but our deductable is high I met my deductable the first week of this year BUT I will be pauing into next year to pay what is mine to pay and then it will start all over again iy's tight as only dh works I do bring in SSDI but it's isn'y much in the sceem of things Dr's and hospitals take payments the problem is with those who won't even do that 57|2|The middle class is quickly disappearing....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|10:27:57|07/29/2009|
I heard recently that the gap between the rich and poor is the widest ever in History for America - this is a very, very dangerous sign. That means in the future, they'll be more crime, riots, food shortages, etc., not a pretty picture. 55|1|Something I have always wondered...|Arizona|vbj48@cox.net|10:00:40|07/29/2009|
Why is the actual cost of health care different if one is insured or not insured.
I see this on my bills. The insurance company gets billed the regular amount of the visit. Only a certain amount is allowed and the rest excluded because of their "contract price".
Uninsured people have to pay the whole amount of what the health care facility charges.
56|2|Insurance companies negotiate fees with providers and that's why the prices are different|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|10:18:47|07/29/2009|
Ever lose a bottle of pills and have to replace it? My hubby did once. I don't remember what it was, but co-pay was $5 at the time; the insurance price was $150; for me to replace it, they wanted $450. I was blown away. But he needed it. It hurt! 59|2|Because insured people pay into the system like a rewards card at a store |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|10:42:28|07/29/2009|
>Posted on Jul-29-09 at 10:00 AM (Eastern)
>by 68.98.101.58Why is the actual cost
>of health care different if one
>is insured or not insured.
>I see this on my bills.
>The insurance company gets billed the
>regular amount of the visit. Only
>a certain amount is allowed and
>the rest excluded because of their
>"contract price".
>Uninsured people have to pay the whole
>amount of what the health care
>facility charges.
68|2|Here's a simple example based on my experience with using both insurance and cash to pay for a treatment...|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:30:13|07/29/2009|
My DH goes to a chiropracter once in awhile for an adjustment....he has paid cash when my insurance policies dont cover chiropractic services, and the visit cost him $40 cash. Now, recently he went to have an adjustment and my current insurance does contribute to chiropractice services. Our EOB that came in the mail shows the appointment cost at $92, we paid $20 out of pocket towards a co-payment, and the insurance paid the rest.
So, it is the insured people who are being charged more.....THAT is who is covering the uninsured. Why do you think they ask immediately for your insurance card when you go anywhere (doctors, dentist, eye care, etc)?? They want to know if they are charging you the insured rates or the cash rates. And yes, some insurance plans like HMO's, PPO's, etc do have contracted prices with certain providers. And those rates are most likely still higher than a cash rate for the same services.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
58|1|One way or another, the whole healthcare system needs to be revamped.It is a total mess. Once HMO's came out, the greed came in. There is so much overhead that goes to who knows where and so much insurance fraud, as well as insurance companies trying to get out paying what they are supposed to.|Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|10:34:44|07/29/2009|
I see the current health care system full of greed and corruption.
People have to actually fight to get what is in their contract.
Last October and then again in April, my son had to go to the ER
During this time period we had 100% ER coverage. In both cases we
got a bill for the difference of what the hospital "charged us" and
what the insurance company paid the hospital.
This is illegal. It is called double dipping. It goes on ALL the time
and they actually get people to pay "the difference."
While they are at it, they need to revamp the Prescription Drug companies too.
Put CAPS on the price on MEDS. Don't let the rich pharmaceutical lobbyists
line the pockets of the politicians. Healthcare and Prescription drugs should
be available to all who need them, not just those who are lucky enough to have insurance.
In my opinion, the United States of America should have UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.
No one should ever have to go with medical treatment because they can't afford it.
EVER.
Too bad, you work at this company, no insurance for you.
How elitist.
Notice I said Universal and not Socialized.
Socialized Medicine is a term that has been used with negative conotations in this country.
We fear what we don't know and make it out to be a big bad monster.
Universal Health Care works for the rest of the world and it will work here too.
Life is like a cup of tea,
It's all in how you make it.
Lisa
60|2|This whole healthcare mess needs to crash first...|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|11:14:06|07/29/2009|
before starting over again, so yes Lisa, you're right it's full of greed and corruption with the doctors, AMA, FDA, etc., plus all the abuse, especially people that take multiple pharma drugs that doctors quickly give them, instead of other alternative methods first like living a healthier lifestyle, better foods (not processed/GMO foods), exercise, take health supplements, grow your own foods, etc. I'm 53 and hubby is 57 and we do not take any pharma drugs. Although he used to be on lowest dose blood pressure meds, decided to take herbal supplements which has helped him tremendously, now down to 115/70. We read a lot about health, nutrition, etc., to get all this info to improve our health. It can be done - eat the foods Mother Nature provided for us, not depend on chemical, synthetic drugs/foods that does not belong in our bodies!! It's fine to take pharma drugs short-term for an infection, after-surgery, etc., but not long-term. If everyone did this, the FDA would collapse and medical costs would drop tremendously, think about that! HTH, Sharon:) 63|3|Did anyone else see this?|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|15:10:50|07/29/2009|
My memory isn't great, but the guide book that psychologists use is being rewritten. In it are all known mental disorders, which makes sense. The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that there are groups (drug companies) that are pushing for specific disorders to be added so that their drugs will be more widely used. That is the gist of it anyway, there was a lot more to it, but isn't that shameful?
One of the disorders that they wanted to add was PMS...
Greed is right!
75|3|Sharon, I agree with your RX Drug approach. I am organic all the way. No RX's in our family either. Even my mom 71 and my grandmother who is 94 aren't on any RX's. Healthy lifestyles for us. |Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|21:49:54|07/29/2009|
Life is like a cup of tea,
It's all in how you make it.
Lisa
61|1|DO ANY OF YOU THINK THAT THE MEDICAL CARE WITH OR WITHOUT INSURANCE IS IN TROUBLE AND MAYBE ITS GOING TO CRASH AND MAYBE OBAMA AND HIS TEAM ARE TRYING NOT |crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|14:10:26|07/29/2009|
TO MAKE IT NOT CRASH,WE(MY KIDS AND COMMON LAW HUSBAND )HAVE HELTH INSURANCE I HAVE NONE FOR ME TO WALK INTO A GET MEDICAL ATTENTION WEATHER IT BE A CLINIC OR HOSPITAL YOU HAVE TO PAY THE LEAST I HAVE EVER PAIED IS $100,AND IF YOU CANT PAY THE WHOLE THING THEY TAKE YOU SOCIAL SOCURITY NUMBER ,DRIVERS LICENCE ECT THEY THE HOSPITAL OR CLINIC MAKE YOU SIGN A WAVER TO PAY,THERE ARE DIFFERNT PROGRAMS IN EHICH EACH STAT HAS THAT ARE SET UP TO HELP PEOPLE,I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THE MEXICAN BORDER AND KNOEING FIRST HAND YOU CAN NOT COMEA CROSSS THE BOARDER INB CALIF AND GET FREE HEATH CARE YOU MUST PAY MY NICE A MEXICAN CITIZEN AND HER HUSBAND A USA CETIZEN PAIED $6,000.00 1/2 OF IT WAS DUE UP FROUNT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE PAYMENTS ON THE REST ALL BEACAUSE SHE WAS NOT A US RESIDENT AND INSURENCE NOT COVERING IT.THE WHOLE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REVAMPED SO THAT INSURENCE IS AVAILABLE FOR ALL PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WEATHER OR NOT THYE ARE VISITING IF YOU GO TO SOME FORGIN COUNTRYS AND ARE HURT THEY COVER THE COST MY AUNT TRIPED AND FELL IN EUROPE THEY TOOK HER TO A HOSPITAL SHE WAS READY TO PAY AND THEY TOLD HER IT WAS COVERED UNDER THERE UNIVERAL COVERAGE,INOW CAN GOACCROSS THE BORDER AND SEE A DOC THAT SPEAKS BCOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH IF I GO RED CROSS COST ME UNDER $5 WITH MEDS AND IF I GOT A REGULAR DOC IN HIS OFFICE ITS $15 AND I GET WAY BETTER CARE THAN I DO AT A CLINIC IN THE US.I DO NOT WANT ANY BACK LAST ON THIS JUST MY OPINION IM IN FOR LETTING OBAMA&HIS TEAM REVAMP THE SYSTEM WE NEED THIS IN AMERICA FOR ALL PEOPLE COLOR RACE OR REGIN SHOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE.JUST REVAMP THE SYSTEM AND IF IT DOSNT WORK TRY AGAIN.JUST MY OPION I KNOW ICAN SPELL SO PLEASE DONT SEND ME OR POST SAYING I CANT SPELL I KNOW IM A TERRIBLE SPELLER SO JUST LOOK PAST SPELLING MY OPPINIOON ONLY NO HATE MAIL PLEASE I RESPECT ALL VIEWS HAV ABLESSED DAY TERI 62|2|To my knowledge all states have free healthcare for children if you are low income or qualify so there is no reason for any child to be without|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|14:15:23|07/29/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 64|3|Did anyone see the VIEW today???|cashcoll|cashcoll@yahoo.com|15:49:16|07/29/2009|
How the goverment wants to tax JUNK FOOD?? Which to me is crazy. I agree with Whoopi & Barbara W., they need to TAX the companies that make this
JUNK FOOD.
Teresa
Have a Great Day!
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GO HOGS GO!!
Woooooooooo, Pig! Sooiee!
65|4|Why tax unhealthy food... we all have a choice to make when we go to the grocery store... why blame someeone else for our lack of self control ...|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|16:05:19|07/29/2009|
To the point the obesity in America is through the roof.
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 67|4|and why not tax alcohol oh and playboy and car companies since we aren't walking.....|Barbie|BHumphries@charter.net|16:20:59|07/29/2009|
Lefty liberals are killing this country.
Feedback link:
http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/1278.html 69|4|This is going the way of taxing other 'vices' such as cigarettes, liquor....and it was predicted YEARS ago that is exactly what the govt would start doing....another tax they discussed was a higher tax on fast food (rather than the local tax rate, it would be the local tax rate plus a certain percentage).|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:34:56|07/29/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
66|1|HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HIGH PRICED HEALTH CARE|Arizona|vbj48@cox.net|16:20:04|07/29/2009|
I went for my yearly "Well Woman" check-up. This included the physical exam, blood work, lab, mammogram and bone scan.
The total bill before insurance paid was $1,370.
Fortunately, I have insurance so that is not what I paid.
But, those without insurance would have had to pay this full amount. 70|2|But the uninsured wouldnt have the same rate of charges....that same bill to an uninsured person could possibly be 30-40% less, yes still a lot of money out of pocket, but I pay about 8 times that a year in insurance premiums.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:45:24|07/29/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
72|3|Here:|20yrrefunder|tradernikki@yahoo.com|17:49:25|07/29/2009|
Did you know that around here if you go in for a mammogram and only have one breast (like me - due to cancer) that I get charged the same as those that have two breasts? YEP!
When I complained to the gal taking the money she said that they just bill everybody the same and the insurance companies just pay it. WHAT????? They are taking 1/2 as many x-rays. I told her that I only wanted to pay for my half and she told me that I had to pay for all of it or else they would turn me over to a collection agency.
BY THE WAY - I do not have ANY INSURANCE.
Nikki in MO
http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/366.html 73|4|I had never thought of that! That is something to think on now, isnt it?? I gotta tell you the story of one of my patients....a female in her late 60's....she was telling me that she had some tests done once when she was in the hospital and they actually tried to charge her for a prostate exam! She was a savvy lady and read her EOB...she said she was on that phone to the hospital billing dept in a flash! LOL|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|18:10:53|07/29/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
71|2|Medicare abuses have been going on for years....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|16:57:08|07/29/2009|
and here's another example in today's news, such as "arthritis kits" (never heard of this!!), Ensure liquid food, unbelievable!! It's a never-ending cycle until it crashes, which will have to happen sooner or later!! Just absolute insanity!!
Dozens arrested in Medicare fraud busts across US:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99O9QSG4&show_article=1
76|1|I have been on both sides.....|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|10:05:41|07/30/2009|
had two csection with no insurance. With the second surgery, I brought my own stuff, and turned down anything that was not nessesary, (including pain meds after,) because I knew what they were going to cost me. Had a tooth pulled instead of fixed because of the cost. For the last 20 years we have had really good insurance, (that they now want to tax,)thank God because my older kids were asthmatic. Those same kids who live on their own now do not have health insurance.
With that being said, there is no way I would support a plan that decides who deserves the right for medical care, and thus the right to live. Who has the right to tell an older person or the parents of a premie, that they do not get a medical procedure because their chances are slim, or their quality of life is not what the government thinks is good and it just will cost too much. I will not choose to throw away people even if it will help myself or my uninsured adult children.
I am all for taxing vices, including fast food, and junk food, alchohol, and smokes. Things that are not neccesary for a healthy life, and cost the taxpayers a lot of money down the road because of the health problems they cause.
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We here in the US pay twice as much as anyone in another country and also get less for our money. Could it be...the big insurance companies are scared they will no longer be able bring in the huge profits they now do. And thus threads like these exist. To frighten everyone into saying "no, way". Greed is at work here. Many of the 50 reasons make no sense without reading what the complete sentence says!
example: 34) Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
I'm in a very rural area and the Doctors here have been milking the system fo years. It has gotten even worse over the past 2 years. They want only to keep you well enough to return for your next visit and collect their next fee. You miss just one apt and your Doctor will drop you. Good luck finding another doctor in the area who is accepting patients and is actually competent.
Most insurance companies ration mental illness coverage as it is. Did everyone find this as a surprise? Most services have some kind of cap. The Doctors and hospitals don't care where the money comes from as long as it comes. Compassion goes out the window! I've seen many a family loose their home due the bills an illness brings. Change is way over due!
78|2|Doctors wouldn't need $ so badly if the insurance premiums were through the roof thanks to so many frivilous law suits|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|15:09:19|07/30/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 79|3|Doctors wouldn't need $ so badly if the insurance premiums were through the roof thanks to so many frivilous law suits"|zydeco|kimr@alador.com|15:58:42|07/30/2009|
Posted on Jul-30-09 at 03:58 PM (Eastern) by 71.188.200.17
The lawsuits I have witnessed were not frivolous! Plus I have seen GOOD Doctors actually change past patient notes to clear themselves of these so called frivilous law suits. The whole medical field is messy and has long needed to be cleaned up. WAKE up people!
Look at the houses that your Doctors live in. What kind of cars do they drive? There's not a one I can say lives modestly. Do they really look as if they are hurting for money?
keep in mind...insurance premiums are tax deducible!
80|4|HA Look up the percentage of frivilous suits it's beyond ridiculous.. not that drs don't mess up now and then|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|16:01:23|07/30/2009|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 81|5|Look at these facts|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|16:09:20|07/30/2009|
Their web site state these "Fast Facts - Symptoms of Lawsuit Abuse:"
In a recent press release, stated the following "Lawsuit Abuse Facts: "
According to a recent Towers Perrin study, the U.S. tort liability system cost each U.S. citizen $721 in 2001 ($205 billion total).
More than 40 percent of doctors reported avoiding prescribing appropriate medication because they knew the drug might be involved in litigation.
Personal injury lawyers walk away with 30-50 percent of any jury award to the plaintiff, plus an additional percentage of the award to cover expenses.
Since its widely used cholesterol-lowering drug Baycol was withdrawn from the market, Bayer is facing more than 8,000 lawsuits. The New York Times notes that at least 6,000 of those lawsuits, however, are being filed by people who did not suffer any side effects whatsoever.
Lawsuit abuse affects all Americans on different levels.
80% of Americans say personal injury attorneys take too much of their clients' winnings.
76% of Americans believe medical liability lawsuits threaten access to quality healthcare for families.
74% of Americans describe medical liability issue as crisis or major problem.
By 61% to 22% margin, Americans say lawsuits against doctors result in wealthy lawyers rather than improved quality of care for patients.
Lawsuit costs passed on to consumers add up to nearly $721 per year for every person in America today.
Because of litigation fears, 79% of doctors said they had ordered more tests than they would based only on professional judgment of what is medically needed.
It takes at least a year to resolve most lawsuits, and delays of three to five years are not uncommon. Unfortunately, injured people with legitimate claims can wait years before their cases go to trial.
An estimated $50 billion per year is spent on unnecessary test procedures designed only to guard doctors and hospitals against malpractice claims.
Almost half of the money spent by physician insurers goes towards defending cases that ultimately are closed without compensation paid to the claimant.
http://headaches.about.com/cs/advocacy/a/lamus_cala.htm
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 82|6|Many of those facts about doctors ordering tests or medications to avoid a lawsuit are right on the money....I see it every day as a nurse.....doctor's order all kinds of tests for the simplest of patients' complaints. They dont want the patient or a family member to come back and accuse them of not doing enough, and believe me, people do accuse of just that. Why do you think doctor's prescribe antibiotics for viral infections such as the common cold? They dont want the headache of a lawsuit, even if the judgement were in their favor.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|16:42:13|07/30/2009|
Posted on Jul-30-09 at 04:42 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237
ETA: I thought I might add that doctor's arent the only healthcare professionals who carry malpractice insurance....any person involved in the care of a patient can be at risk of a lawsuit. People are sue-happy, there is no denying it.
They will take down everyone they can, thinking the more people they implicate, the more money they will make on the suit should they win.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
85|7|I agree!|zydeco|kimr@alador.com|18:39:10|07/30/2009|
>Last edited on Jul-30-09 at 04:45 PM
>(Eastern) by 98.213.175.237Posted on Jul-30-09 at
>04:42 PM (Eastern) by 98.213.175.237
>ETA: I thought I might add
>that doctor's arent the only healthcare
>professionals who carry malpractice insurance....any person
>involved in the care of a
>patient can be at risk of
>a lawsuit. People are sue-happy,
>there is no denying it. They
>will take down everyone they can,
>thinking the more people they implicate,
>the more money they will make
>on the suit should they win.
>
>
I always had to pay for malpractice insurance while working.
However Doctors and hospitals both know what tests insurances companies will pay for. No questions asked!
My person pet peeve is the $14 charge for starting an IV or drawing blood. I'm just waiting for the secondary charge to begin for when they miss the vein and have to stick you again. IHMO They should owe you if at first they don't succeed.
89|8|Yes, and if the insurance company or Medicare will pay for tests A, B, C and D....why would a doctor only order test B? BUT, let's remember, doctors are NOT independents anymore, the days of the town doctor are gone. They are work for a healthcare network now, and they are dictated to MAKE MONEY. Order tests, have people come back for follow up appointments, refer them to specialist within the network so more money can be made. So, the doctors are trying to cover their butts, but the networks are out for the bucks.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:17:57|07/30/2009|
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
86|7|There ya go, Saint6811 is right on the money.....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|19:15:17|07/30/2009|
all these tests for this and that is to save the dr's a$$e$ period!! Every year, my gyno wants me to get a mammo - never had problems thankfully but don't get it every year because I know from what I've read from many sources, the risks of getting breast cancer increases your chances going for these yearly mammos and these tests are not always accurate anyway, with many having false positives. 84|6|I've never heard......|zydeco|kimr@alador.com|18:23:38|07/30/2009|
.......of the Towers Perrin study. I just know what I've seen.
Yes, Doctors do makes mistakes and when they do they are often big ones. Many are settled out of court and the general public never hears about them.
Our state has caps on medical suits. So unless it involves a death or severe injury...forget it.
Sadly most of the real money does go to the lawyers. Hopefully something in this bill will change that.
No one can sue the Federal Goverment without their permission. So one of the posted reasons just follows suit with current laws.
87|7|This is where we need Tort Reform which has been talked about during political campaign discussions...|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|19:26:46|07/30/2009|
for years, but nothing has been done about it. 83|1|I was going to mention that nurses have the "joy" of paying high malpractice insurance too!|Abbicca|Abbicca@insightbb.com|18:10:11|07/30/2009|
And malpractice insurance is NOT like health insurance in how it is treated. It is a "job related expense' and therefore subject to 2% of your joint income. Only the amount ABOVE that threshold becomes deductible. And, I'm sorry...but nurses do NOT make nearly enough money to be forced to deal with some of the premiums I've seen....especially knowing the true work they put in (usually WAAAYYY more than the doctor).
That being said.....most doctors leave school owing more than I paid for my house--- A LOT MORE. Do I blame them for expecting to be paid a decent wage and to live accordingly? They had to score high enough to get INTO med school.... then put in the years of study...and residency.... and normally be deep in debt before they get out. THEN they get to pay it back---while paying a ridiculous amount for malpractice insurance.
Finding a good doctor is alot like finding a good mechanic--- you pay a premium for their time, you have to weed through the bad ones...but there are GOOD ones out there!
And are there WAY to many frivilous law suits? You betcha! I've been asked by medical people---"you're not going to sue, are you?" more often than I care to count for stupid things that didn't cause me any harm.... someone accidentally kicking my crutch was one. I didn't fall...caught my balance... there was no harm done.... but they STILL figured they'd be sued. THAT is how insane people are about the medical profession. And numerous times I've been told I SHOULD sue due to a procedure not working out right---or the fact that I went into seizures on the operating table from the anesthetic..... you know what? I've NEVER sued them for that stuff. They warn you up front that SOME people react to surgery---there is ALWAYS some risk. And the procedures I've undergone--- well...there were never any promises there either. 88|2|God bless you, Amy! |saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|21:14:02|07/30/2009|
"And malpractice insurance is NOT like health insurance in how it is treated. It is a "job related expense' and therefore subject to 2% of your joint income. Only the amount ABOVE that threshold becomes deductible. And, I'm sorry...but nurses do NOT make nearly enough money to be forced to deal with some of the premiums I've seen....especially knowing the true work they put in (usually WAAAYYY more than the doctor)."
Oh my word, if you only knew the things we do and are responsible for! And don't think a doctor wouldnt throw a nurse under the bus to save his a$$ either....I've seen that happen in my 16 yrs as a nurse too. (Not to make this a doctor vs. nurse thing, not all doctors would shirk their responsibility if something should go wrong.) Heck, I've seen one nurse throw another under the bus...but I digress.
And malpractice is not something you get a 'group rate' on like medical insurance either, it is an individual policy...and very expensive.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
--Thomas Jefferson--
90|1|What are your sources? Where is your evidence? |inthesticks|inthesticks@alltel.net|20:22:41|07/31/2009|
Anyone can post stuff. However, without sources, it's all just a bunch of conjecture, theory, and plain old negativity. Show me the facts, from reputable sources. 91|1|heres the web site kiriste from the department of state|crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|20:24:15|07/31/2009|
http://havana.usint.gov/refugee_faqs.html 92|1|disreguard my last post it was ment for another post ..|crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|20:26:56|07/31/2009|
sorry