6|2|My hubby retired from GM|mo6g02|crazylady47952@yahoo.com|07:10:45|11/20/2008|these guys have NO clue LOL
I think if they get the money - and I think they should - NOT A DIME should go to corporare salaries and expenses.
My last three cars have been fords, the last a ford escape and this car is crap on the inside, all plastic that comes apart
and you have to glue the dials and buttons back on, the stuffing under the front part of the car by the windshield is coming out
the cieling looks like moths attacked it.
I mean everything on the inside of this car is cheap plastic so why did it cost 26,000? Upper management salaries in the hundreds
of thousands and even millions. This kind of thing has to stop and I would not support a bailout if a dime of it was to go to the
salaries of these guys and NOT INTO THE CARS OR WORKERS themselves.... I bet my car could have cost only $10,000 if not for the self-
congratulatory and greedy behavior of corporate executives.
I bet they are the same kinds of guys who took the money at AIG and took everyone to spas for the week on our tax dollar. They just
don't get it!!!! Would it ever cross any of their minds that they are making it big at the expense of all the 'little' people???
1|1|on private corporate jets, more than one jet OMG they each had their own???|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|19:59:53|11/19/2008|
OMG!!! 37|2|It was my impression that the jets were owned by the car companies-- not by each man as his private property. Since there was much talk about the overt wastefulness of the action|suezz|clearys@comcast.net|16:02:30|11/20/2008|
by each man, they certainly did not help themselves in the eyes of the American public or Congress by doing that. Even Diddy, who is one of the most overt spenders in pop music, said that he retired his private jet and is flying commercial ( first class I am sure) but the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars each private flight costs him is hurting even him.
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2|1|Yes, isn't it just outrageous!!....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|22:00:29|11/19/2008|
All big three FAT CATS flying to DC in $36 million corporate luxury jets costing $20,000 round trip asking for handouts to help bail-out their companies? Hell no, I don’t think so…this is their problem, they caused this mess making too many mistakes over the years and it’s not our responsibility to pay for their sorry mistakes. They should sell all their luxury jets, make huge pay cuts, reorganize the whole place & start over from the bottom just like everyone else. What a bunch of selfish whining crybabies asking for our taxpayer money…just so unreal. They need to get a spine and face up to their responsiblities. How much more is this country going to take? Just so disgusting.
3|2|did you see what they got in after they got off the plane?|angNC|memawang@embarqmail.com|22:12:09|11/19/2008|
I think they should drive a manual ford focus or saturn!
Make me sick. Perhaps they should ride a bus there!
4|1|I agree with all of you and it makes me sick~I have no love loss for FORD, they repo'd our truck in Jan. 08 and it was due to be paid off this year, I wanted to make partial payments and they said NO!~*~|RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|23:42:35|11/19/2008|
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19|2|OMG they said NO??? why not work with you? why did they need another truck on the lot?|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|12:41:17|11/20/2008|
what crooks!!! 5|1|they're asking for a "loan" with no plan|zombietoo|littlejadensmom@juno.com|02:08:48|11/20/2008|
6|2|My hubby retired from GM|mo6g02|crazylady47952@yahoo.com|07:10:45|11/20/2008|
We live on his pension check, but if things don't change that might end also. They've already screwed with our medical, which should have never happened as it was written in his contract that medical would always be carried by them & never changed, now we have to pay so much for it & then pay $1000 before it will kick in, prescriptions use to be $3, now are $11. My hubby could go back to work if there are any jobs but what about all these older ones that are way to old to get a job or are sick, they sure can't. They keep saying that if things don't change, then they will have to look into using pension plans to make ends meet, whatever, what do they think the retiree's will live on?? I don't know, I just think it's time that this crap stops happening, you work your life for these companies, then they decide several years down the line that things are not going like they want so they take everything away from their retirees & smile while they are doing it. Bunch of crap.
Donna
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12|3|I loathe the idea of a bailout...|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|10:57:44|11/20/2008|
But I worry a lot more about what happens to good, hardworking people who spent years of their lives working for a company in trade for a little security in their old age. This is just the tip of the iceberg-- I know we are going to see a lot of people hurt. It isn't fair! 7|1|here's my take on the private jet thing........|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|07:59:38|11/20/2008|
think about how much it costs to get a one way ticket with less than 24 hours notice on a commercial flight. A LOT! anyway, if they already OWN their jets (as in they belong to the sirs themselves) then woudln't it cost less to just hire someone to fly it for you? i may be wrong BUT i see nothing wwrong with utilizing what is yours. i mean why rent a car if you own one? kwim? JMHO
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8|2|I'm sure in the xase of the cost of fuel and help it would have been cheaper to buy a ticket They feel entitled to all that extra stuff which is|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|08:09:56|11/20/2008|
part of the problem Why should they get a bailout? Because people will loose their jobs? Smaller co are closing every day and people are loosing their jobs everyday I lost my job to a co that went bankrurpt once noone bailed them out What makes them special if they had bothered to hear the cry years ago for more efficient cars at better prices they wouldn't be in such a mess We priced new vans before we chose to have our trans rebuilt $30,000 for a van no bigger than ours and no better gas mileage our van is 11 years old We chose to rebuild who wants to pay another monthly bill and get a van that gets the same mileage in todays world 9|3|i'm sorry but i don't feel the same way..................|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|08:31:43|11/20/2008|
those men did what they did and made their money. period. it's their's and as long as they aren't spending the companies money to do things like fly in the the private jets that they own, then i see no problem with it at all.
i mean last year my husband made a lot of money, we were able to buy the house with it, this year he hasn't made as much but should we stop using the house because his paychecks aren't as high? no, that's silly to even think of.
these men have their own money and what they do with that is completely up to them. it has nothing to do with the companies asking for a loan. heck, they even stated they would lower their saleries to $1 a year until they paid back the loans. man, that's determination right there. JMHO
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10|3|and what makes them so special? |pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|08:39:27|11/20/2008|
the fact that if the 3 companies go under over 2 million people in the usa will lose their jobs! also, millions of retiree's will lose thier pentions and thier healthcare coverage for with which THEY PAID FOR! that's what makes them special.
there is nowhere for these men and women to go to work instead of at the car factories. think about it, we are so far into a recession that if we add 2 million plus people to the list of the unemployed we will be in a full fledged DEPRESSION!
also, they didn't WANT bailout money, they asked for a LOAN with a specific guideline as to when it could be paid back.
AIG just keeps spending thousands and thousands of money on freaking parties! when are THEY going to pay us back? at least the big 3 have a timeline. at least they are going in with their guns blaring and definding their company's, AIG did none of that, they simply cried on washington's doorstep and VOILA they got billions of dollars. *shakes head* it's sad, sad, sad, sad!
HELP THE BIG 3, WE NEED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11|4|Well said Pussecat|mo6g02|crazylady47952@yahoo.com|10:48:39|11/20/2008|
normally I'd never venture into somthing like this, but have to say it's getting pretty scary. My hubby worked hard & paid in for everything that we are getting now & believe me it's getting worse & worse. He didn't ask to retire, but his plant shut their doors & it was 25 years & out the door or pack up & move to where ever they sent you for a new job, but you couldn't keep your senority, you were new man on bottom floor. We still had 5 kids in school so decided to take the out the door. Yes my hubby is young enough to work & he still is, but this pension check is our mainstay. they've already screwed with our insurance, now talking screwing with pension checks, & I know a lot of people who retired from them that are now in nursing homes, sick beyond working again or like us that are still working but jobs here are few & far between. To find a decent job here you have to travel at least 35 miles or more, this is hicksville & jobs are just not here, unless you don't mind working for $6 an hour. Everything in this area is closing, closed or cutting back until there is nothing left, but I own my home & have lived here all my life, I don't want to move & start over at my age because Japan has taken over the car business. The car industry goes down, & I'll guarantee almost every job out there will soon follow as think how many other business's are car, steel,rubber or whatever car related. Car dealerships, brakes, car parts, steel mills, tires,gas, glass, fiberglass,insurance & on & on. No cars, no jobs, no transportation, no school buses, no groceries, think about it real hard. Unfortunately the car is American's top job industry, millions out of work, millions more houses foreclosed, millions of credit cards not paid, millions more on food stamps. Not a pretty sight. I'm not saying just hand money over to anyone, that's crap, but if help is needed & there is a good game plan than help until they can get back on their feet or find ways to cut some corners to help themselves. I read an article that said that for every 2 car plants that shuts down, 1000's more jobs are lost in other car related industries. I beleive it was in a UAW magazine that comes to the house, only makes sense to me.
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13|1|Why shouldn't they have to file Chapter 11 just like teh major airlines did? They can come out of that they don't have to go under that way|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|11:00:43|11/20/2008|
>Posted on Nov-19-08 at 07:59 PM (Eastern)
>by 98.26.54.77these guys have NO clue
>LOL I think if they get
>the money - and I think
>they should - NOT A DIME
>should go to corporare salaries and
>expenses. My last three cars have
>been fords, the last a ford
>escape and this car is crap
>on the inside, all plastic that
>comes apart and you have to
>glue the dials and buttons back
>on, the stuffing under the front
>part of the car by the
>windshield is coming out the cieling
>looks like moths attacked it.
>I mean everything on the inside of
>this car is cheap plastic so
>why did it cost 26,000?
> Upper management salaries in the
>hundreds of thousands and even millions.
> This kind of thing has
>to stop and I would not
>support a bailout if a dime
>of it was to go to
>the salaries of these guys
>and NOT INTO THE CARS OR
>WORKERS themselves.... I bet my car
>could have cost only $10,000 if
>not for the self- congratulatory and
>greedy behavior of corporate executives.
>I bet they are the same kinds
>of guys who took the money
>at AIG and took everyone to
>spas for the week on our
>tax dollar. They just
>don't get it!!!! Would it
>ever cross any of their minds
>that they are making it big
>at the expense of all the
>'little' people???
14|2|Live In Michigan|lablover77|lablover77@comcast.net|11:24:21|11/20/2008|
I live in Michigan....in the Tri-County area, have all my life. My Dad retired from Ford, His Dad from Chrysler, my uncle from GM, so no preference between any of the "Big 3". It isn't only the big 3 that have the worries. It is the dealerships (one on almost every corner), the other factories that supply parts, the local restaurants near the factories, etc. The little mom and pops that have been around for years are now closing their doors because the plants are closing and the lunch crowd from a plant is what kept them going. The healthcare industry is also suffering. A major hospital close to us was all set to close their doors. What does this have to do with the auto industry? Well, here in the Detroit suburbs, since I was little, we have always been blessed with good to great healthcare. When I was real little, before my dad was at Ford's for a year, we didn't have great health insurance. We did go to the doctor, but mom and dad paid dearly. Thanks to the UAW and bargaining, Dad was able to get us HAP.....land of no office co-pay and free prescriptions. Although that has all changed, and there are now co-pays and higher prescription costs, people get into the habit of going to the doctor for every little sniffle. I am blessed that my dh (who doesn't work for anything relating to autos) has good health insurance, but we do pay for it. Our co-pays are $30 for an office visit, $30 for prescriptions. My kids go to the doctor when needed. Me, no so much. Shoot, I can't even purchase a bra without feeling guilty, much less go for my annual pap. The government "bailed out" or took over the hospital, in any case, it isn't closing, but here in Michigan, the economy is terrible. I have been out of work since June....a friend went into work on Friday and was given his pink slip. Sooooo many unemployed here. Everything relates to the auto industry that we have become so spoiled so to say. We all take things for granted. Cars aren't selling, production is down. Will things get better, I sure hope and pray so every night. Christmas???I don't even want to think about it, haven't purchased one gift for any of my kids. Mom and Dad got a buyout when dad retired. They were living comfortably on dad's pension and the interest. Their finance guy told them where they should put all their money. Mom has always scrimped and saved. Mom always made double mortgage payments. When they moved 10 years ago, they HAD to get a mortgage just for the tax write off. Refinanced their house. Put all their funds into this account. It was Fannie May. Their $75000 is now worth $1200. Christmas is dim for everyone. Sorry to ramble, but when I hear opinions about the big 3, and not getting any help, I worry about my family, my friends, my neighbors. Michigan is terrible right now, not to mention cold too!! Please think about the MILLIONS of workers who will be let go, laid off, etc if Michigan, the Big 3, doesn't get the help is needs. 15|2|if they file 11 then WE pay for the loss! (m)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|11:36:25|11/20/2008|
if they BORROW the $ then we get it back!
also, just a thought, but wouldn't it make MUCH more sense for EXXON to loan them the money? i mean come on, they made $14 BILLION in profit last quarter. and just THINK about it, an OIL/GASOLINE company helping AUTOMOBILE companies.
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16|3|How do we pay? Chap 11 gives them a chance to regroup start paying who they owe and stay afloat on their own Kmart did it and then went on to buy Sears|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|12:09:01|11/20/2008|
>Posted on Nov-20-08 at 11:36 AM (Eastern)
>by 24.129.66.182if they BORROW the $
>then we get it back!
>also, just a thought, but wouldn't it
>make MUCH more sense for EXXON
>to loan them the money?
>i mean come on, they made
>$14 BILLION in profit last quarter.
> and just THINK about it,
>an OIL/GASOLINE company helping AUTOMOBILE companies.
>
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17|4|and doesn't also aleviate some of the debt they owe? that's what we'd end up paying. |pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|12:32:36|11/20/2008|
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18|5|no it doesn't see inside(M)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|12:38:09|11/20/2008|
A business bankruptcy that is given chapter 11 protection is not an erasure of the business' debts; it is a strict schedule that is worked out whereby the business operator repays the debts of the business within his or her capacity.
taken from a website
anyway i misunderstood, i was thinking of either 7 or 13.
i don't know why they don't fille an 11............. do you?
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20|6|I never claimed to know why they don't I just want to klnow why they think they shouldn't have to go the route of other company's|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|12:52:21|11/20/2008|
Every company that goes out of bussiness has a trickle down effect The first being their workers who are now out of work and without health insurance and then it just keeps going from there 21|7|tina, i didn't say you diod lol i was ASKING if you did. |pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|13:09:56|11/20/2008|
no need to get upset. i was just asking if you knew is all.
sorry if you misunderstood :)
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42|3|I was thinking the same thing....|SALLYRAZ|WISGIRL02@AOL.COM|20:00:09|11/20/2008|
Only it was not my idea. I was watching that Bill Maher talk show. Ashton Kutcher was on it. He said "Why don't the big oil companies bail out the Big 3 auto" ? Something like that anyway. I thought...lol...good idea ! In addition to the banks/housing scams... seems like pretty much went to heck when gas prices were jacked up to over $4 a gallon. Everything went downhill from there. "The Trickle down theory" :~( 22|1|I think they should bail them out but the money should go to the people|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|13:20:59|11/20/2008|
who work there who are NOT executives and INTO THE CRAPPY CARS to make them better!!! 23|2|i have a ford and LUV it lol but to each their own :)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|13:27:25|11/20/2008|
some get good cars and some don't. it's a crap shoot i guess. *shrug*
husband drives a dodge truck, and LUVS it too. BUT we had previously owened a dodge intrepid and i woudln't have GIVEN that car to homeless man! it was BAD BAD BAD!
same thing happens with toyota's and the like as well i guess.
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25|3|BREAKING NEWS!!!|lablover77|lablover77@comcast.net|13:40:43|11/20/2008|
A bipartisan deal has been reached for a bailout of Detroit's automakers. Details of the deal will be revealed in a news conference at 2:30 pm in Washington DC. This was a ticker at the bottom of my tv screen on ABC. Thank heavens!!! 26|4|wow! wonderful! i wonder if they are cutting their salaries as proposed. i think that would make this a little easier to "swallow" for some people. :) i'm SO glad they came to a deal! GO BIG 3 ! :)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|14:00:03|11/20/2008|
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30|2|Glennie actually the workers that work there are taken care of well When they "shut" down for weeks ( they are doing that soon here for 5 weeks) those workers will get 95% of their pay|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|14:36:11|11/20/2008|
and in reguards to putting money into the bad cars we've done that all ready the goverment had already given then like $25 million to build beeter mileage cars If they gave a hoot and wanted to do the right thing they would have been building more efficent cars years ago They know how to Ford makes a car on a Focus chassy that gets 40 miles to the gallon but they have a list of excuses why it can't be made here 34|3|I think inside the car too and around the issue of planned obsolescence|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|15:05:46|11/20/2008|
wny does my car need to start breaking down at 5 years? why not use better materials? 45|3|They actually get like approximately 85% of their pay. I know, my DH works for GM. And although you get the money, it takes over two weeks for the unemployment check and then another ten days on top of that to get the sub check.|Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|11:36:18|11/21/2008|
I get a little tired when the companies try to blame all of their woes on the workers.
And for the $73 hour total wage, what a crock.
They claim $25 an hour for insurance. Well, my DH is already pays $1.00 an hour out of his hourly rate, so $160 a month and then
$25 an hour for 40 hours worked per week equals $1000 a week, so according to them, my DH's insurance payment is
$4,160 a month. Do you know what kind of insurance a company such as GM could buy as a group rate at $4,000+ a month per employee? At that rate, we shouldn't have to pay a penny out of pocket.
My neighbor works for a company and she pays $400 a month for herself and two kids and she has almost identical coverage as we do.
And oh yeah, when you get laid off, the company ILLEGALLY cancels your medical insurance so then don't have to pay premiums while you are laid off. My DH's contract states that he has medical insurance for 1 year after being laid off.
They don't end because he is temporarily laid off for one or two or even five weeks.
Found this all out when I broke my ankle this summer and when my DS got hurt at college a few weeks ago.
It's all about corporate greed and I am so sick of it.
I am not entirely sure if the Big 3 really need the bailout, but I do know that all three top executives were asked if they would take a $1.00 a year salary and only one said yes.
So much for saving their companies.
Lee Iaococoa took $1.00 salary a year for Chrysler way back when and they turned around.
Life is like a cup of tea,
It's all in how you make it.
Lisa
46|4|Lisa sorry that this is affecting you I stated the 95% pay as we live in Ford country and that is what they have been saying here So when the factory cloes for|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|12:02:16|11/21/2008|
say the 5 weeks like they are here it's actually unemployment they get? Do they qualify for more unemployment than other workers as I know when Dh worked in the printing bussiness and was making $25 an hr and he got laid off he didn't get that high of a percentage I don't know how unions work so that is why I ask 48|5|My husbands gets the highest allowable unemployment in Michigan. Add that the to sub pay he gets and it doesn't quite make 85%. I think often it gets misquoted on the news.|Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|14:19:23|11/21/2008|
The lives of autoworkers are often rosier when painted by the media than in actuality.
Thanks for the concern. With DH in and out of work and me
losing my job when I broke my ankle, it has been a rough year.
And now, who knows if DH will even have a company to work for.
Life is like a cup of tea,
It's all in how you make it.
Lisa
24|1|Ch 11 will let them reorganize...|Sara_s_Mom|IClipCoupons@gmail.com|13:40:12|11/20/2008|
Really folks. Should top execs continue to take millions in salary while the company is going down the tubes? Anyone who is self-employed and takes draws knows what I'm saying. If things are tight, you don't draw a salary. Before a bailout, I'd also want to make sure that they have a plan for getting fiscally responsible, turning a profit, etc. etc. They can call it a loan... but the fact remains that if they did go under later, then the gov't would likely take a bath, just like all of the other creditors. Ch 11's have a pecking order - secured vs. non-secured and most unsecured people get pennies on the dollar if they are lucky. I used to work for an atty who did Ch 7s, 13s and 11s and not many of our local clients who filed 11 pulled themselves out of bankruptcy.
Same reason I won't be buying gift cards from financially troubled companies. Buying a card is risky in that if they do go the way of Sharper Image, you are just out of luck and spent money on a gift no one can use if they go under and you are left holding the bag.
I hear you on the union contracts... I feel for everyone in that situation. It does seem though that car companies can't turn a profit on the smaller cars b/c of all of the overhead costs attributable to cost of labor (including pension, health benefits, etc. etc.) which is why the SUVs were where they were focusing their production. Gas hit the roof, no one wanted gas guzzlers and poof, everything hits the fan.
Just as if I were to go into apply for assistance, I'd have to lay myself bare, all assets, bills, budgets, etc. they should too. I am leaning more toward making them file Ch 11 for a long-term fix so they can regroup.
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27|2|well said sara except it MUST be easier w/o paying millionaire salaries|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|14:08:56|11/20/2008|
and if they own stock maybe they are being given more in lieu of salary? Who knows what they have been promised or have secured for themselves in lieu of salary? They are NOT just being nice guys here! 28|1|Graet more money out of OUR pockets given to companies who's hot shots keep taking and taking while the lil guy sgets squeezed and squeezed more and more |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|14:23:51|11/20/2008|
>Posted on Nov-19-08 at 07:59 PM (Eastern)
>by 98.26.54.77these guys have NO clue
>LOL I think if they get
>the money - and I think
>they should - NOT A DIME
>should go to corporare salaries and
>expenses. My last three cars have
>been fords, the last a ford
>escape and this car is crap
>on the inside, all plastic that
>comes apart and you have to
>glue the dials and buttons back
>on, the stuffing under the front
>part of the car by the
>windshield is coming out the cieling
>looks like moths attacked it.
>I mean everything on the inside of
>this car is cheap plastic so
>why did it cost 26,000?
> Upper management salaries in the
>hundreds of thousands and even millions.
> This kind of thing has
>to stop and I would not
>support a bailout if a dime
>of it was to go to
>the salaries of these guys
>and NOT INTO THE CARS OR
>WORKERS themselves.... I bet my car
>could have cost only $10,000 if
>not for the self- congratulatory and
>greedy behavior of corporate executives.
>I bet they are the same kinds
>of guys who took the money
>at AIG and took everyone to
>spas for the week on our
>tax dollar. They just
>don't get it!!!! Would it
>ever cross any of their minds
>that they are making it big
>at the expense of all the
>'little' people???
29|2|I'm with you teener but I thought about all the retirees who would just get killed|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|14:34:45|11/20/2008|
if and when the big three finally fail 31|1|Again, I am not for the bailout....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|14:50:30|11/20/2008|
However, when companies run into trouble, like the big 3, they should start selling what they have, especially luxury items - their jets, cut back on extravagant items, even sell all their cars sitting in parking lots at a reduced price so people will be able to buy at a reasonable price. Yes, they'll have to take a loss, but at least they can still stay in business and start over from the bottom and take out loans also, but not a bailout for us taxpayers to pay, not fair. They didn't listen when people wanted smaller, economic efficient cars, etc., and selling SUV's, etc., instead, plus mismanagement as well, so this is their fault. Anyway, this is what they should do first, just like any smaller company would do and also keep some people employed, not having to lay off so many people. JMHO, Sharon:) 35|2|sharon, am i reading your post correctly?|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|15:33:14|11/20/2008|
that you feel the exec's should have to sell off their personal belongings? if so why?
if not please re-itterate what you meant cuz i'm lost.
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36|3|No, not their personal belongings....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|15:56:48|11/20/2008|
Items belonging to the company they bought - sell their jets, company cars, any extras the company doesn't need, cut back on supplies, sell cars sitting in parking lots at reduced prices, anything the company owns, use that to pay off their debts before asking for bailout money first-hand....am I explaining it right or ? Sharon:) 39|4|nods, i hear ya :) thanks for re-itterating what you meant! :)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|16:23:37|11/20/2008|
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40|5|No problem my friend, glad you got it now:) nt|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|16:24:40|11/20/2008|
nt 32|1|I just saw on the news that no money will be given or decided on until next month and until the big 3 show the goverment exactly how they are going to use the money|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|15:02:31|11/20/2008|
>Posted on Nov-19-08 at 07:59 PM (Eastern)
>by 98.26.54.77these guys have NO clue
>LOL I think if they get
>the money - and I think
>they should - NOT A DIME
>should go to corporare salaries and
>expenses. My last three cars have
>been fords, the last a ford
>escape and this car is crap
>on the inside, all plastic that
>comes apart and you have to
>glue the dials and buttons back
>on, the stuffing under the front
>part of the car by the
>windshield is coming out the cieling
>looks like moths attacked it.
>I mean everything on the inside of
>this car is cheap plastic so
>why did it cost 26,000?
> Upper management salaries in the
>hundreds of thousands and even millions.
> This kind of thing has
>to stop and I would not
>support a bailout if a dime
>of it was to go to
>the salaries of these guys
>and NOT INTO THE CARS OR
>WORKERS themselves.... I bet my car
>could have cost only $10,000 if
>not for the self- congratulatory and
>greedy behavior of corporate executives.
>I bet they are the same kinds
>of guys who took the money
>at AIG and took everyone to
>spas for the week on our
>tax dollar. They just
>don't get it!!!! Would it
>ever cross any of their minds
>that they are making it big
>at the expense of all the
>'little' people???
33|2|Our gov't learned something from the last bailout? ROFL I don't believe it|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|15:04:07|11/20/2008|
I wish they could undo the last bailout and restrict AIG and Citibank and all the rest 38|3|I agree that there must be a plan in place (M)|lablover77|lablover77@comcast.net|16:21:31|11/20/2008|
before any money is given. I don't think the government wants to have to answer to another AIG. In regards to them selling cars on the lots at a reduced price....most of the time, there is a SALE going on. I know, as a Ford Retiree, my dad still gets the "employee discount", and that is 3% above cost. But, from what they said on the news, there is NO credit to give, so unless you are going to pay cash for a new car, it wouldn't help. And if that were the case, you already have alot of money, hence, the rich getting richer. I think it is a wonderful idea for the oil companies to bail out the auto companies. That does make alot of sense, but why would that happen? Nothing is ever done that makes sense. 41|1|I guess we should bail out the steel industry also|tollman62|thebossatnight@yahoo.com|19:21:59|11/20/2008|
I forgot the steel industry left America almost thirty years ago!!!
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you always hear noises in the dark when you work at night 43|1|Hopefully but doubtfully the plan will include 3 new execs|zombietoo|littlejadensmom@juno.com|00:52:10|11/21/2008|
. 44|2|I agree - they need to clean house starting with those 3 incompetents!|KellyJef|burke3536@yahoo.com|08:16:31|11/21/2008|
I've seen lots of speculation that that will actually happen -- hope it does.
47|1|i just read that GM is returning the 2 leaed jets amid public concern|ppe1952|MATWELL3@ROCHESTER.RR.COM|12:06:35|11/21/2008|
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