1. .” Palin, dismissed Barack Obama’s tax cut plan for middle class Americans as a “backward way of trying to grow the economy”.(THIS is a keep the middle class poor, and more taxes then the rich, same thing what Bush is doing, so where is her change on it?)
2. Palin echoing McCain’s rhetoric on the need to win the war in Iraq. Despite fears over her lack of foreign policy experience, the Alaskan governor succeeded in going on the offensive over Biden’s voting record on Iraq. While noting that Biden had voted for the war, she accused the longtime Democratic senator of failing to support the surge strategy.
"Your plan is a white flag of surrender in Iraq,” Palin told her Democratic rival. “And that is not what our troops need to hear today. That's for sure.”
(DO WE WANT TO KEEP FIGHTING in a war we have no buisness in and the whole world knows was a trick to get in there for oil, and now are all laughing at us, and bailing us out with money spent on the war?)
3. Palin declaring that human activity was not the root cause of global warming.
"I don't want to argue about the causes," said Palin referring to her opinion on the origins of climate change. "What I want to argue about is, how are we going to get there to positively affect the impacts?"
In a sharp retort, Biden remarked that "if you don't understand what the cause is, it's virtually impossible to come up with a solution". "We know what the cause is. The cause is man-made. That's the cause. That's why the polar ice-cap is melting.” (funny again did she really do her research about this? or maybe its cause she is with the oil companies? hmm think about it)
4. When asked about her views on Pakistan, For her part though, Palin maintained that “the central war on terror is in Iraq”.( Does she know they are 2 different countries? or would be like Bush when he met with the Tunisian pres and told him " We love our allies in the GULF, when Tunisia is in AFRICA, also shows you how much lack of education she does have on foriegn policy and affairs, and something scary a VP has to know these things, and we do need other countries as our allies)
5|1|looked up the definition for all to read|crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|11:14:40|10/04/2008|
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vile
7|1|I stand by my conclusion|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|14:41:02|10/04/2008|
As a Christian I abhor anyone using the name of Christ to perpetuate evil, she was vile to me and to other Christians as well. I don't get my opinion from corporate media, I weighed her comments and manner against scripture and found her to be very vile. You don't have to agree but I am entitled to my opinion. 8|2|Cinda...I hear you...|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|15:56:32|10/04/2008|
As a Christian as well. Also as a Christian I noticed BOTH sides share the same views on same sex relationships and their rights. I thought this odd for republicans and was so surprised to hear her agree with Biden on that. 9|3|very odd yes|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|16:22:31|10/04/2008|
I'm not either a dem or repub, I just take issue with the republicans because they claim Christ, I am going to hold them to it. Dems aren't saying they are the christian ticket like the republicans are which is why I scrutinize the republican side.
I'm not sure there is anything Christian about the "christian right". I think christian voters are unwittingly being used for votes, all under the name of Christ and it literally makes me sick. I know those christians who vote republican think they are helping and are most likely doing it out of conviction, I don't fault them at all. I don't like to see them being played for fools and laughed at behind the doors when the issues they care about are so important.
I think where we err is looking to a president or ruler for hope instead of looking to God. Men will always fail us but God never does.
10|4|Yes, we christians do have our on convictions...Mine may be different than the next, but they are MINE and I will have to answer for them as everyone else will...I am not going to defend them,....Jesus already did that for me....Vote with yours as I will vote for mine...|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|18:52:06|10/04/2008|
To the same people that judge her for her daughter being pregnant, what would you have the poor girl do? Murder the child?...the girl is 17, not 12....I had my first child at 18...I guess that would make me ...let's see sleezy?...not at all.....I was very blessed and never one time did I ever consider an abortion.......Palin's daughter is obviously following her convictions....Jesus was condemmed long before any of us....I pray everyone can and will spend a lot of time before deciding who to vote for, if you haven't already....:) 11|1|lol both mc cain and palin scare the ^%$#^$ out of me..the way they boldface lie|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|18:54:34|10/04/2008|
is really reminisent of reagan and the hitler theory of the big lie -
ie the more outrageous the lie the more normal you have to act when you are telling it to sell it.
These two actually scare the tar out of me.
12|1|Just a couple of tax points--|sheliar|sandk95@embarqmail.com|19:17:49|10/04/2008|
1. .” Palin, dismissed Barack Obama’s tax cut plan for middle class Americans as a “backward way of trying to grow the economy”.(THIS is a keep the middle class poor, and more taxes then the rich, same thing what Bush is doing, so where is her change on it?)
The top 1% of income earners pay 39.89% of our nations taxes
The top 50% of income earners together pay 97.1% of our nations taxes
The bottom 50% of income earners together pay only 2.99% of our nations taxes
This information is easy to find--one source is: http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
Cutting taxes for the middle class would do little if nothing, since most middle class Americans don't pay that much in income taxes. And as for those who say the rich don't pay their share, I beg to differ. How would you like to have almost 40% of all your income go away to the government? Most people wouldn't, but the elite rich do all the time, and their taxes keep going up. If you stop to realize that the rich are often the ones that are responsible for creating jobs, then they are the ones you need to "stimulate" with tax cuts, not the middle and lower classes who don't pay much to begin with. Many people who are for a flat tax don't realize that for the bottom 50% of income earners, this would be a tax increase--although it would be "equitable". Just my thoughts.
Shelia
"They say that we are better educated than our parents' generation. What they mean is that we go to school longer. They are not the same thing."---Douglas Yates 13|2|obama and biden lie more then|tarasdream|rockycreekmomma@gmail.com|19:53:04|10/04/2008|
anyone, biden is so stupid he dose not even know who was president in 1929 and even said we had tv in 1929 which we didnt. obama is pure evil and everyone better pray he does not get elected. i dont really care for mccain either but he is the lesser of 2 evils 14|3|Biden Lied 14 times during the debate|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|20:21:56|10/04/2008|
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Senator Joe Biden lied at least 14 times during the vice presidential debate according to those counting at John McCain’s presidential headquarters. Tucker Bounds, a spokesman from GOP presidential candidate John McCain’s campaign said in a statement, ''Joe Biden graduated from his trademark verbal gaffe to outright lie in tonight’s debate.'' (Snip) On the foreign policy front, Biden challenged Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin when she said Barack Obama’s pledge to meet with any foreign leaders
to continue reading see here:
http://townhall.com/Columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/03/biden_tells_14_lies_during_vp_debate
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Joe Biden's 14 Lies
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 17|4|These are the same issues that were pointed out after the debate, on the news.|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|22:25:04|10/04/2008|
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15|1|"according to those counting at John McCain’s presidential headquarters"|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|21:13:16|10/04/2008|
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LOL.......reminds me of the cows always promoting chicfila.....ever wonder why(LOL))
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One thing about Palin I did like was her stance on a country that embraces "life"... I was pregnant at a young age and chose life and God knows Im glad I did! My aunt was raped and pregnant at the age of 12 and chose life (my grandmother says my aunt said "but mom, its still my baby)According to my grandmother, back then a midwife would come to the house and "do something" to you and days later you would abort and they immediately were given the option, we are glad she chose life. My uncle Josh had a known birth defect and my grandmother chose life. We are glad she did. Everyone has their own choices to make. No man owns heaven or hell to put us in. Only God. We have to go with our own conscience. Im glad Palins daughter decided to keep her baby and I would hope and pray no one would judge me for the actions of my children. I know I raised them well, at some point they have to make their own choices and learn their own lessons.
I just wish there was a third choice....cause McCain/Palin just wont cut it for me. Im looking at this from a few angles(christian first, active duty military, minority).
If Obama is elected I do pray for the safety of him and his family, For him to do what he has done so far is impressive. He has done it with death threats against him and his family and he didnt stop. I applaud him for going after his dream against all odds. Look at how well he has run his campaign...he has made history and no one can deny him that. He cant help where he was born and what his birth certificate says...that was his parents doing..how did he get this far before it became an issue...give me a break. Im not sure if the country is ready for a minority president (eventho most say "it doesnt matter", we all know it does).....and its kinda scary.......
16|2|Very nice post....:)|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|21:34:56|10/04/2008|
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
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18|1|palin says there is a place in hell for women who don't support other women|cinda68|lacinda68@gmail.com|15:02:58|10/05/2008|
Isn't she sweet? Wow. Again, she shows that she does not represent Christ at all.
In thanking Mandell, Palin cited a quotation from former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright that Palin had seen the day before on a Starbucks mocha cup: "There's a place in hell reserved for women who don't support other women."
(The quotation was slightly off. Albright used the word "help" instead of "support.")
http://www2.presstelegram.com/ci_10641675 19|2|lol typical lies and misrepresentation...just like reagan|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|18:10:13|10/06/2008|
all over again 20|3|does she ever say anything true of any substance?|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|19:00:19|10/06/2008|
she is a great schmoozer 23|2|ROFL Get Real Palin was making FUN of the quote not just quoting it for fun|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|23:12:41|10/07/2008|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 21|1|I don't know how we could EVER trust a politician|missy|lovetotrade@hotmail.com|10:31:38|10/07/2008|
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who deliberately misrepresents the facts, and changes them to suit her own purposes, the way Palin has. I hate that she is playing on our fears about something so devastating as terrorism on our own soil! Surely those thousands of victims of 9/11 and their families and friends do NOT find her funny at all. I am very upset about her claiming that Obama has ties to terrorists. It has been explained over and over, that the person referred to, was protesting against VIETNAM decades ago: hardly a threat today! I think she has gone too far! Sure, all politicians knowingly lie to further their own purposes, (there is NO better example than George Bush and Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction), BUT to try and deliberately instill fear and uncertainty in our already devastated population, is just SO low, I now think NOTHING of her. She OBVIOUSLY thinks nothing of US!! I just hope and PRAY that voters see her for who she really is! A power hungry, conniving, insensitive, perpetual liar (yes, I did hear her speak about wanting more power for the office of VP). Sure it would be nice to see a female in office, and yes, she does have a pretty smile, BUT, I wouldn't trust her for a minute! God bless the USA!
22|2|missy I respect your boldness of comments|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|23:11:45|10/07/2008|
and I agree with you lol, didn't want to just leave your comment hanging out there, that is the end for me.
I appreciate all the comments on both topics I raised and it was nice to see everyone keep it civilized!