what about the McCain-Palin ticket is NEW? Can't they see we can see thru them or are we supposed to be so stupid and racist that we will vote for them and against obama while they lie in our faces about having new and different ideas while they differ from Bush in NO way???
And why would I vote for Sarah Palin just because she is a woman when she is so obviously unworthy of the job?
She picks on people that disagree with her, uses her government to hire her friends and cronies (just like Bush) and has no relevant exprerience except that Alaska is close to Russia???? OMG how stupid are we supposed to be? Her home life is a wreck, her daughter does not live by her own parents values and she spesnds no time at home with her special needs kid. I only wish I had the kind of help she has so that she can do all these public appearances while touting herself as a great mother. I for one am neither stupid nor am I blind.
I may not vote for obama but I definitely will not vote for mccain/palin. The republicans lie so bald-facedly that it offends me. 1|1|I could not disagree with you more....|KellyJef|burke3536@yahoo.com|07:56:40|10/03/2008|
I think the McCain/Palin ticket is exactly what this country needs.
And after last night's debate, I think McCain will win :)
2|2|Ditto that KellyJef!!!|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|08:28:24|10/03/2008|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 3|1|I also agree with kelly and kristy|coltura68|Coltura68@gmail.com|08:32:43|10/03/2008|
Mom 2 Nathan and Keirsten and lovin it
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I admire her. So many people have pushed for women's rights and even wanted to vote for a woman for president. I don't understand why she bothers them so much. I believe she is a perfect example of a woman that can and has done it all. Some things she also brings to the table: examples of issues we all have in our life:
She is a woman balancing a career and a family
Having a child with special needs, where some may have aborted the child
Having a teenager become pregnant and choosing to not abort the child
Having a child serving in Iraq
I am sure ther are other things also.....
I think she shows that she and her family are REAL and I respect her positions on all the above. I believe Sarah did an awesome job at the debate. I think the D's wanted her to mess up so bad and she didn't. A good question would be, if she was on the other side wouldn't they just LOVE her? She, in my opinion has it ALL.
I had to respond to this post, because I believe it was so strong and one sided and I did not agree with any of it....
Please, no bashing, I rarely take such a big stand on some of the issues raised on here, but this one needed to be addressed....JMHO...:)
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5|2|I think the McCain/Palin ticket is exactly what this country needs too|tarasdream|rockycreekmomma@gmail.com|09:02:42|10/03/2008|
i think palin is awesome. the reason they dont like her us that they are threatned by her. 6|1|I am one DEM. who will be casting my vote for Rep. I had to think about the lesser of the two BADS (evil being to storng of a word) and in my heart think that McCane will do the best job. Either way I will pray for the leader that GOD will guide them in the right direction to guide us. I also will pray for our foes not to be defeated but to come to peace in their hearts and with their god so they will come to peace with us. I hope that makes since. JMHO|nancygal|brennansnanna@hotmail.com|09:05:25|10/03/2008|
nancygal 7|1|glennie, about your vote (M)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|09:05:45|10/03/2008|
my husband, and another coworker are (or were) of the mindset that thier votes didn't count because one party can not win by one or two personal votes alone. i told them this and now i'm telling it to you............. PLEASE remember, it's not the ONE vote not submitted that will sway an election it is the COLABERATION of all of the ONE VOTES that can.
if we have 1 million people that don't vote at all but WOULD have voted for this party or that party it could have meant the difference between this party winning and that party losing.
feel as you may about the republicans or the democrats but please DON'T LET YOUR VOTE GO TO WASTE.
the way i see it is: IF YOU DON'T VOTE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WHO WINS. kwim?
hth and have a great day!
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8|2|I am definitely voting for McCain/Palin and last night....|iteachca|iteachca@aol.com|09:13:06|10/03/2008|
confirmed that even more. If Obama wins, no place in this world will be safe. Not to mention the fact that he does not support our troops and will not even salute our flag or pledge allegiance to this country. If he wins, it will be a very scary 4 years here in America.
Donna
I wanna soak up the sun
9|3|I usually never comment on posts about politics or religion, but have to say that I agree with the above posts about McCain/Palin and I will be voting for them..I don't like Obama and I agree with what Donna said, and I don't want a President that can't salute our flag or support our troops~*~|RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|09:38:40|10/03/2008|
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20|3|Why do you say he does not support our troops (M)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|13:38:13|10/03/2008|
I like to look at records, ideas, things they supported, and I know John McCain has supported a lot for the troops, but so has Obama. I believe he supports our troops but does not support the current war, it is two totally different things, he has goals in place to provide better healthcare and better education benefits to returning soldiers, that does not show me lack of support of the troops. Here is a webiste http://vetsforobama.org/, which obviously is pro-Obama, so yes they may not include all the things he voted against for the troops, but they include enough things he did vote for or try to bring about to make me believe he fully supports our troops. As far as emails saying he does not support them and he is muslim and what not, we need to research it first, I get emails saaying big foot was at Disney, it does not mean it is true.
As far as the flag is concerned here is something from snopes.com, not the best website but it does say that the pic that got this started is true but that he has nothing against saluting the flag, how many of us do not ALWAYS salute the flag, especailly for the national anthem, but it shows screencaps of him reciting the pledge in the senate on dates before this incident happened, so it is not like he got caught when that happened (Sept 2007) and since then has been saluting the flag to save face. And honestly, how many politicians really salute the flag or put their hand over their heart because it is the RIGHT thing to do and not because it is the politically correct thing to do.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
Joyce
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42|3|I completely agree with you Donna...Go McCain/Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!|kellysp6637|frugalk76@aol.com|08:59:10|10/04/2008|
Of the two candidates,,,I feel McCain/Palin is the lesser of two evils... 18|2|LOL I agree with ya, but what to do? Is there a third choice?|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|13:11:58|10/03/2008|
rofl 10|1|I think they are all a bunch of lying cheats It won't matter how honest one starts|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|09:48:09|10/03/2008|
out in politics once one is in and involved with the way the whole system works they are all the same The system is what is messed up our country is to messed up to even think that two people can come into office and turn it all around Our Goverment is no longer for "our" people 11|2|I just want the 'winner' to DO the job they were elected to do!!|Skaytes|skaytez@gmail.com|10:20:25|10/03/2008|
I feel this way about ALL the elected officials. Don't care WHAT party they are representing as none of them are 'for' the people any more. It's how they can line their own pockets etc. The country has went to 'hell in a hand basket' so to speak. Teener said it pretty much in her post... 13|3|Well I also agree with you glennie how can someone run a country|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|10:38:41|10/03/2008|
when asked what is the new Bush foreign policy and she had no idea, she seems not to answer the questions at all when asked, she does seem to like to go around the questions a lot, also the remark of going to war with Iran, Pakistain and Sryria, do we really need another war right now when we are in debt to Europe? and they keep bailing us out of so much money spent on the wars we are in now. Funny how all they talk about is terrorism, well I see it like this, USA at this moment in the worlds eyes are terrorist for what we have done in those countries, put your self in their shoes, would you like to see you children raped, or killed in front of you? and your country blown apart cause someone thinks they are getting rid of terrorists? Look in our own country when people are killing each other, look at our people who could benifite from all the money we spend a day on war.
Can see it now, she is sitting down with a foreign leader, and says rude remarks to them. to be in office one must learn what it means to be and play the politician, most are excited that she is a woman and blind sighted, but at what coast does voting for a woman get us into?
Funny how 2 days ago was asked what news papers and magazines does she read to get the update on news and she could not respond but went around that also, I don't want to keep hearing from her how bad the Democrates are, I want to really hear her answer a question directly for once. 12|2|I SO agree, Tina....|shelly|shellysue49@gmail.com|10:35:26|10/03/2008|
..DH and I watched almost an hr. of the debate, and I am having a really hard time trying to figure out WHO is telling the truth!?!?? I hate politics, but *something* has got to be done, this country's going to you know where in a handbasket!!
I am STILL undecided who I'm going to vote for, but Sarah Palin really surprised me, in a good way.
Shelly 14|1|I agree, Glennie.....go Obama! =)|dianej2321|dndi01@bellsouth.net|10:46:37|10/03/2008|
=) 15|1|LOL .... All Politicians Lie, Cheat and Steal Whenever Possible ... |BriansMommy|mommytobrian04@aol.com|11:09:24|10/03/2008|
Democrat, Republican, Independant or otherwise. Who the crap has ever been true to thier word? "READ MY LIPS ... NO NEW TAXES" Whatever. 16|1|While I do admire Palin for actually accepting and running with McCrap ... |BriansMommy|mommytobrian04@aol.com|11:13:52|10/03/2008|
It's not a job for a fist term governer. She cant even run her state and she's going to help run a country? HELLO!?!?!?!
Ya know she actually wanted to build "the bridge to nowhere"
I don't like Obama ethier though.
VOTE NADER .... LOL :o) 17|2|If you vote for Palin because she is a woman then vote for me or yourself (m)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|13:02:02|10/03/2008|
I like her very much and think she is a strong and intelligent woman, but I vote on issues not the person. How many moms do you know that send their children off to war, that raise special needs children, that have been soccer moms or joined the PTA, tons and tons, it does not qualify us to be vice president, she has not come out publicly and still did not last night with HER stand on many issues, if I was simply voting for who I liked best I would vote for her in a heartbeat but we need people who at least try to give us their plans, I know in the end it is just their plan and chances are it will change a million times along the way once they actually get in, but at least they have ideas and plans, she has not shown any of that in my opinion, if she comes out more on issues and they lean towards what I believe I would vote for her but I will not be blinded by the idea of having someone who SEEMS to be able to identify with me in the office on a mom level, can she identify with me as far as what I think of war, gay marriage, the economy, no she can not so why would I vote for her, those are the things that matter to our country not if she breastfed or potty trained her kid before 3, sure to us moms it matters but not on a national level, if we were voting for the head of the National Organization for Women (NOW) maybe she should win but this is the vice president of the US, one heartbeat away from running the country, our troops, the citizens not fighting for one central focused thing only (like various womens rights issues with NOW), we need someone who can fight for everything. In the end though, in my opinion they all are crooks on both sides but I guess we each vote for who we think is the lesser of 2 evils, I know if it was me that last thing I would want to do is be president right now so they all either deserve a lot of credit for taking this on or they both are just super power hungry indiduals and in the end just like every other politician.
Joyce
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19|3|Biden was wonderful in my opinion in debate last night.. I really loved Hillary as a candidate.. yet, now so confused- would want Biden (not sure on Obama or Palin) mixed feelings...|car_mont|car_mont@hotmail.com|13:31:40|10/03/2008|
PLEASE INCLUDE - USER NAME AND YOUR OFFER if we are in a trade. 21|3|I am not just voting for Palin, but the party that most appeals to me....|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|13:43:01|10/03/2008|
I do believe we vote with who we can identify with, do we not? Well, I identify with them. I felt the need to address my feelings on her mothering skills because of what op posted on her daughter and whether or not she needs to stay home with her baby. You have to vote what your heart tells you to do....I have MANY reasons I support the Republican ticket...The main one is that I have a choice and chose the side I most identify with on many issues. I sent this in an email to someone earlier.
"I have voted BOTH sides in my life, but when I truly came to the Lord I stayed on the republican side. It has nothing to do with race for me. I truly believe that every American should have the same rights. I read a verse in the Bible one day about "Everyone will give an account for every ideal word they speak"....Is our vote not our voices???....That sealed it for me!!..I don't agree with the Abortion laws #1 and they do, or at least they vote more for it....I had to repent for having voted democratic because I felt somewhat at fault for the abortion laws and the lives of those babies that are now in heaven." I don't think either side will ever reverse the ruling, but we need to slow it down....This is just my feelings, not blaming any individual...We all have our on convictions that we live with....
I am sure I will get bashed for it by some of you, but, that is freedom of speech, right? I respect your opinions, but have mine too....I don't agree with everything on the "R" side, but this is the one issue that changed my heart....I mean we have laws to put people in jail for being mean to animals, I have to wear a seat belt or can receive a ticket, but, ....I have the right to take the life of a human inside of me?...I am not talking of the abortions for health or rape issues...but, just because someone decides it is not the "time" for them?....
I am also choosing to not post my opinion on O'Bama, because I choose not to offend any of you....I tell eveyone that says they are undecided...do lot's of RESEARCH and just find the one thing you can agree with, whichever side and vote with your heart....:)
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller
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come to know God because they know you"
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"If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
~Ronald Reagan
22|4|freebie I agree with you (m)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|13:58:25|10/03/2008|
We can agree to disagree on dems vs. repubs, but when it comes down to it people need to vote on issues and the things they believe in, not race or sex, that is my only concern, but you definitely have the right view as far as voting on your beliefs and that is what I wish most people would do, whether it be to look beyond race or sex, they need to look at the issues and what they believe and the candidates believe.
Joyce
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24|5|thank you for your nice comment, Joyce:)|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|14:05:53|10/03/2008|
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller
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"Live in such a way that those who know you, but don't know God, will
come to know God because they know you"
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"If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
~Ronald Reagan
23|1|I have not ever been registered with either party....I dont like to pledge a vote blindly election after election. I have voted both sides of the ticket over the years, I vote the person, not the party...unfortunately the last 3 elections at least have been voting for the lesser of the two evils....it is extremely dishearenting anymore.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|13:58:58|10/03/2008|
I dont know what I'm going to do when I enter that voting booth....maybe I'll write someone in...there are too many lies and cheating going on in both parties....that is the problem with a two party system....eventually the lines blur enough that it's a matter of party name only, not values or platforms.
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy."
25|2|I am republican and there is NO WAY I can vote for a McCain/Palin ticket|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|17:56:13|10/03/2008|
She was horrible last night. Didnt even answer straight the job of the vice president...ugh....most of my friends assume I am a democrat because of my race and are shocked when they learn I am not....
Palin helped me decide last night tho....McCain is too old for me to consider voting for him with her as vice president.....just no way....... 31|3|yes so true so many questions yet again not answered by her, and promises of many things she can not do, also lies of things she said was already started, but hay if they win same as having another Bush in office and maybe worse with her views, all who voted for Bush he really did a good job distroying |MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|00:06:19|10/04/2008|
Posted on Oct-04-08 at 00:06 AM (Eastern) by 71.191.19.154
our country, and served 2 terms hmm but all complain about him funny on who put him in office now hates him, so now its time to change for ones who have more experiance, I hate both sides both you see are saying lies what they did and what they want to do, anyone who can bribe people or make rude remarks against other races has no buisness being a politician.
really when it comes down to it there is not one who is the best at this moment i would have loved Ralph Nador,
1. Palin mispronounced our commander in Afghanistan, Dave McKiernan's name and also claimed that he supported the idea of using the Iraq surge as a model for Afghanistan even though just yesterday he said he did not.
2. In response to a question on Iran and Pakistan Palin answered by starting to talk about Iraq. Similar to McCain's obsession on Iraq with complete neglect for all other national security priorities.
3. Palin promised that the Middle East peace process would be a top priority for a McCain administration. But McCain's own advisors last week said that it wouldn't.
4. Palin was unable to distinguish any specific difference between Bush and McCain on any foreign policy issues. Joe Biden made that point very clearly.
5. Sarah Palin seems to rely quite heavily on her notes and on a very limited set of talking points. She has been dodging questions all night long.
see more here about it, and her interview
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/palin-gets-afghanistan-fa_n_131446.html
26|1|I am pretty sure the Democrats control the house &senate were the country is run from|tollman62|thebossatnight@yahoo.com|19:37:48|10/03/2008|
In the 2 years they have controlled both houses gas prices have gone up almost $2 a gallon many Democrats including Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and remember it was Bill Clinton who loosened up the mortgage regulations both sides are equally at fault but if you want to see real change vote out your incumbant senators & representatives.
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you always hear noises in the dark when you work at night 27|2|INCREDIBLY well said Steve!!!! |Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|22:20:03|10/03/2008|
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 29|2|Count me in to vote them out......I'm going to start writing in candidates when the choices all stink....anyone interested in the job?? :)|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|23:16:19|10/03/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 28|1|Your so right Steve! Could not have said it better myself WTG!!|nancygal|brennansnanna@hotmail.com|22:33:33|10/03/2008|
nancygal 30|1|I HATE politics, but something doesn't smell right with Obama|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|23:45:39|10/03/2008|
He has released nothing. What's up with him? Is he not American? Is he not old enough? Is it the Muslim angle that has him keeping things tight? While I don't believe we need to know EVERYTHING about a person, it would be nice to know SOMETHING about this may who has 150 day of working experience as a civil servant. Talk about dropping out of the sky and onto a ballot.
There is NO candidate for this election and I think that this financial mess is just the beginning of a very long and painful 4 years for this country. I think its downright scary.
32|2|ok and if he was muslim,? does that not make him American? think that was a very raciest unnessecary remark there are 6.5 million muslims in the USA WHO ARE AMERICAN |MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|00:10:26|10/04/2008|
all who are born here, who came here leagaly and contribute to our society are AMERICANS like any ones relatives who came to the usa, rather it was 1 generation to 5 generations we are all foriegners here that make up our lovely country the USA 44|2|It may seem like he dropped out of the sky onto the ballot...but we Illinoisans have been hearing of his Presidential bid almost from the time he got in the Senate....he's not ready for this either, not enough experience on the National level, IMHO.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|09:08:54|10/04/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 33|1|Taxes ...McCain versus Obama|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|00:31:57|10/04/2008|
INTERESTING DATA ON TAXES
Proposed changes in taxes after the 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.'
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA - Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.
New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)
New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)
New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....
New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
You can verify a lot of the above at the following web sites:
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john
(and there are many more to choose from, just use your favorite search engine)
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"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller
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"Live in such a way that those who know you, but don't know God, will
come to know God because they know you"
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"If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
~Ronald Reagan
37|2|McCain wants to tax your insurance benefits, if I'm not mistaken and from what I heard|Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|01:16:04|10/04/2008|
Sarah Palin saylast night, "give" you a $5000 medical insurance credit so that you can go get your OWN insurance. The average cost for insurance is $12,000 so they will give you $5000 (a check straight to the insurance company) so that you are left hanging to make up the other $7000 yourself! Now where does that $5000 come from? Must be from the government. Hmmmmmm
Cathie
38|2|hmm i got from cnn money this which says differant:|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|01:20:29|10/04/2008|
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm
Here's how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if either John McCain's or Barack Obama's tax proposals were fully in place.
MCCAIN OBAMA
Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
$603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
$227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
$161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$113 -$892
Under $19K -$19 -$567
The economy: McCain vs. Obama
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/04/news/economy/mccain_obama_econplans/index.htm?postversion=2008060708
74|2|factcheck.org has what is false on this taxes thing (m)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|12:17:09|10/05/2008|
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html
It does look like if you make over $250,000 a lot will go up but why should the rich get richer, I keep hearing the business owners will be affected by paying more taxes or these big companies, they will have to cut bakc employees, etc for paying these taxes, they will still have all sorts of write offs and ways to avoid taxes and ways to get around it, Obama will probably give special laws to help them, I think both sides repubs and dems will continue to grease the wheels for the rich but his plan sounds good to every day citizens like you and I who feel the rich just get richer so they say what will get them elected (like with this bill, they want to keep jobs in America but yet they give breaks to these companies in Samoa??).
Joyce
Feedback: http://www.refundsweepers.com/dcforum/feedback/234.html
35|1|The top 10 poorest cities are run by Democrats and have been for a long time....|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|00:58:05|10/04/2008|
Democrat leadership.
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984
Cleveland, OH (4th)... since 1989
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor
St. Louis, MO (6th).... since 1949
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor
Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908
Philadelphia, PA (9th)... since 1952
Newark, NJ (10th)... since 1907
It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats - yet are still disadvantaged.
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I also don't think we should judge a parent by a mistake their teenager makes. I do see one value her daughter is following, she is choosing not to kill her unborn child. To me that says a lot about her character.
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did an awesome job. i dont care for either of the candiates but im voting for the lesser of the 2 evils. biden is stupid he doesnt even know who was president in 1929 and said we had tv then. we didnt even have tv until the early 50s i think.. obama has to be in court the 21st of this month to answer charges about not showing his birth certificate. i think obama is evil and if he gets in we are in a lot of trouble 40|3|I saw that Obama was being sued for not being eligible to run for president based on his birth certificate authenticity...the suit alleges he was not actually born in the US, that he was born in Indonesia and his birth was REGISTERED in Hawaii....his father is Indonesian, and under their law, if he was born there he would be Indonesian citizen....the suit also challenges the eligibility of someone with dual citizenship....that's all left to be seen, it could amount to nothing, but I am still not voting for him.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|08:25:01|10/04/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 114|2|the fact that she is pregnant tells me about her character too|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|23:08:27|10/07/2008|
? did I call you stupid or racist? 41|1|a different perspective|missy|lovetotrade@hotmail.com|08:35:53|10/04/2008|
Apart from all the party politics etc, are we REALLY ready to have Palin take over the presidency, when aging McCain suffers more serious and almost inevitable medical problems (or dies)??? THINK what the STRESS of holding the office of President is going to do to his health, at his age, and with the country and world having SO much going wrong now. 43|2|It's all matter of risk anyway isnt it....we will all be taking a risk when we vote in November...younger doesnt equal better, IMHO. I am disgusted with them all...maybe I'll vote like someone else who posted they are voting for Bob Barr (Libertarian candidate).|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|08:59:12|10/04/2008|
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Posted on Oct-04-08 at 08:59 AM (Eastern) by 98.213.161.195
I have seen many jokes about McCain's age, criticism of his health history, and allusions that he is showing signs of senility....76 in this day and age is not that old...my mother worked full time until she was 77. I am a nurse at a nursing home and have been in that field for 15 yrs..the average age of the residents I care for is 88! I have only a small handful (out of 125 residents) that are under 80 at all, and the rest are in their 80's, 90's and even 100+ yrs old. And MANY of those in their 80's and 90's are sharp as a tack...would I vote someone in at age 85? Of course not, but he has said he would only run for one term (of course, that could turn out to be a flip-flop too!).
I dont see how chosing the candidate based on age is any different than choosing one based on race...both are a form of descrimination when you get right down to it.
I guess I see his age as non-issue because I am NOT willing to settle for 4 more years of the same BS we have had for the last 8 yrs...I dont even think of his age when I consider whether I would vote for him or not...the same as I dont consider Obama's race when considering giving my vote to him. I just plain and simple dont like where either one would take us should they get in the Oval office. :(
Joy
ETA: I like Palin...she's someone I would love to have lunch with, but I dont think she's quite ready to hold such a high office in our govt....give her a few more years, let her get her feet wet more on the national level, prepare her for the position more....then she would probably have more support.
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 45|3|whats worse|tarasdream|rockycreekmomma@gmail.com|09:21:01|10/04/2008|
i think she could handle being president but if biden was to have to take over hes plumb stupid, at least shes smart and a quick learner 46|4|God forbid that would happen, if it did she would not run the country by herself.....Presidents have a cabinet of advisors, right? ...I have never looked at OBama as a true American, don't know why, maybe it is all |freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|09:49:44|10/04/2008|
the birth certificate stuff, we have known about that for a long time....I think McCain has earned his right to be president, at least in my opinion.....Lack of experience, he does not have....Grit and a backbone is a plus, too! 49|5|I take offense to what/who is a "true American"|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|11:39:17|10/04/2008|
Posted on Oct-04-08 at 11:39 AM (Eastern) by 67.1.41.36
Never mind. After some thought I am deciding to just walk away.... 51|6|I will add a couple links...|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|11:50:10|10/04/2008|
Snopes says False... Obama seemed to check out and is a natural born citizen...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
And just in case anyone is wondering about McCain...
Snopes says "undetermined" on his nationality...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp
55|6|What's the offense? If he would just produce his legal, original bc then we would know for sure....Sorry if I offended you, but that is jmho...:)|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|14:57:22|10/04/2008|
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller
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"Live in such a way that those who know you, but don't know God, will
come to know God because they know you"
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"If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
~Ronald Reagan
58|5|Here is a link to an LA Times article that shows Obama's birth certificate...|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|15:19:24|10/04/2008|
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
You can click on the birth certificate photo and it will become larger so you can read it yourself. 87|5|McCain is not who I have a problem with, it is who would replace him if the need arose|missy|lovetotrade@hotmail.com|09:06:25|10/06/2008|
it's all very scary! But I guess we can't do any worse than 8 devastating years of Bush policies! 47|1|OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT - I'm sorry... wasn't clear|whitmarg|robin@whitmannet.com|11:04:14|10/04/2008|
I'm not against the Muslim part at all. They are a very peaceful group of people. America was built on religious freedom. But there is something that doesn't smell right about his not wanting to tell us the basics about himself.
I don't care what he practices.. that's not the point. The point is he is way too secretive for someone seeking this office.
Personally -- I think there is something fundamental in his background that makes him INELIGIBLE to be our president and he is hiding that with all his power.
48|1|OBAMA IS AMERICAN|crazymomx2|crazymomx3girls@hotmail.com|11:09:41|10/04/2008|
Posted on Oct-04-08 at 11:09 AM (Eastern) by 68.105.65.24
DON'T LISTEN TO EVERYTHING YOU HERE HE IS AMERICAN BORN IN HAWII TO A KENYAN(FATHER) AND AMERICAN MOTHER RAISED IN INDONISYASA (NOT SPELLED CORRECTLEY), HIS RELIGON IS CRISTIAN .MANY OF YOU THINK HES MUSLIM HES NOT EVEN IF HE IS MUSLIM IS A RELIGIN O NOT A NATIONALITY.PLEASE DONT SEND HATE MAIL YOU CAN ALSO GOOGLE OBAMA AND GET HIS BIO.HAVE A GREAT DAY TERI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
57|2|Ah yes, that's right....his father is Kenyan...the suit alleged that his father gave up rights to him, and when his mother remarried an Indonesian man, Obama was adopted by that man...then under Indonesian law that would make Obama a citizen of Indonesia...I wasnt saying I belive the allegations at all...in fact it's a non-issue for me, as I wont be voting for him regardless of his birthplace.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|15:07:51|10/04/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 50|1|Links inside to where John McCain and Barack Obama were born. Personally, I wish there was a third choice for President as I don't care for either candidate.|Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|11:44:30|10/04/2008|
John McCain
scroll down after the shaded paragraph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Barack Obama
scroll down after the shaded paragraph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Obama
Life is like a cup of tea,
It's all in how you make it.
Lisa
52|2|LOL Lisa... I think we were posting at the same time. |sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|11:53:53|10/04/2008|
I went back and forth on whether to post wiki or snopes. LOL, that is funny! 53|3|Well then Vanessa, we both did good because now both links are posted :)|Ranalt|ainebailey@gmail.com|12:00:49|10/04/2008|
Life is like a cup of tea,
It's all in how you make it.
Lisa
56|2|Lisa, I so agree with you....I wish we had more than two choices...I am not just unexcited about this election, I am concerned! :(|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|15:05:54|10/04/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 54|1|Check this out......|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|14:42:58|10/04/2008|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p8tLtiTW-M
hope the link works...
59|2|another.....very sad...|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|19:09:42|10/04/2008|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeaXjNbyn1Q&feature=related
No way my children will ever sing praises to anyone but Jesus Christ !!
60|2|Have you seen the one where Obama is talking negatively about the Bible......|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|22:32:37|10/04/2008|
I was looking for the link last night but could not find it.
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I will look for it.... 62|4|The way I've seen Obama speak and act, the people he's associated with, etc., he's very anti-American period! His wife too!! nt|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|23:06:34|10/04/2008|
nt 64|5|looool Obama Anti-American so funny why he is running for president , u really need to read both sides and get a bit more information about him before u can call someone anti-American, that be like me calling u it.|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|00:50:10|10/05/2008|
think really some people are post some really hated remarks and now u can really see how racist some are, so sad we live in a country that is all mixed, but yet keep getting these really ignorant remarks about a persons race, religion or where they came from, guess all of us in born in the usa are all anti-America if come from a non white mixed race yah? 78|6|I didn't say anything about Obama being a racist....|Sharon|s_forshee@hotmail.com|15:36:27|10/05/2008|
what I said was that he's anti-American and what I mean by that is his refusal to wear the American flag on his lapel, his wife Michelle had publicly stated that for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country (was she ashamed of our country before she stated this??). Plus, their association with Rev. Wright who has such hatred for America, so don't tell me I'm wrong, because these are true facts! I feel if he's running for President, that he should be more proud and patriotic of our country, but he's not. Thank you. 63|3|Carol, CYE~:)|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|23:32:07|10/04/2008|
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller
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"Live in such a way that those who know you, but don't know God, will
come to know God because they know you"
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"If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
~Ronald Reagan
65|4|Okay I want to talk about the health care issue|MADCAT2C|MADCAT2C@cox.NET|01:42:57|10/05/2008|
Democrats want free health care for everyone. Okay so lets say that plays out.
Free healthcare for everyone will cause these major problems.
1-- loss of jobs to all health insurance company workers - (not that I personally like paying them) but all workers from blue cross, united, oshner etc-ALL HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANYS- There will be no need for those jobs anymore ---- so there goes the unemployement rate.
2-- Doctos and nurses salarys will be capped at a certain pay (example 50,000 this is just an example)--- so these Doctors/nurses will go from high paying jobs to middle class... how will they pay there mortages, how will they pay back the money for there student loans to become Dr's or nurses --
The Dr and Nurses will not stand for this so the same thing that happen in great britian will happen here -- We will have public health care with terrible Dr's and only be able to be seen if its is life or dealth at a hosital. Then for the rich there will be cash only hospitals and Dr's.
3-- Do you really want the goverment to pick where you/ your children/ sick realtives go to the Dr. There will be no more choices you will go were they say go or you will have to go to a private hosital or Dr and pay cash. My son is high funtional autistic... this scares the crap out of me. The goverment isn't going to pay for specialist so that's going to have to be paid out of pocket.
4-- As far as Biden saying Mccain in going to tax Health care. It is already taxed -- my husband is co owner of a business. Mccain wants to give a $5000 credit to help out with healthcare cost... not to cover it completely. I personally like my Dr and want to have the choice to go to the Dr's I choose for my family.
This is serious stuff --- think about it. We have the right to choose our Doctors do we really want to give that away. Great Britian and Canada did and now they are a mess. Real sick people can't see Dr's or go to hospitals because waits are month's long.
67|5|Nationalized healthcare scares me too....as a nurse, and as an American....all of your points are very good and I dont think alot of Americans understand the 'consequences' of that plan....they think it will be free, but what they dont realize is that they will be taxed to support it. McCain's plan is at least some help with health care coverage, but I havent seen any details on that yet, that is something I need to dig more into.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|08:22:11|10/05/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 66|2|so funny i like to see some youtube things put up about raciest americans who all they can do is find childish youtube fake video links and like to trash others races and religions, so sad so many ignorant bigettes who live in the usa now i see why we are laughed at from other countries and the majorty of those have never travelled outside to see the real world|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|03:54:02|10/05/2008|
Posted on Oct-05-08 at 03:54 AM (Eastern) by 71.191.19.154
can not find anything educated to prove? ( refers to the video, and those thinking he is muslim and anti-american)
68|3|Maisa, I dont think anyone is trying to be racist or intolerant to race/religion....there is so mjuch propoganda out there from BOTH sides it is hard to sift through it all to find any grain of truth of what the candidates really stand for. I do give people credit for trying to research the candidates and make a decision on who to vote for, even if there is information out there that is either irrevalent or twisted....alot of people dont learn more about the candidates before voting. The best thing may be to just focus on their platforms (which I think both sides have some really weak planks in their platforms), and find the candidate who has the most in common with one's own views.|saint6811|waylan@comcast.net|08:30:40|10/05/2008|
"Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy." 75|4|yes joy sorry some are, when u say whats up is he muslim, or calling someone born here, anti-american and posting these hate videos to try and twist things around it is raceist. and for the hate racial emails calling me a terrorist and muslim lover they have been forward to the right people it is against the law to say such things to people and one can be sued and charges pressed, and wrong person to think i will sit back and accept such things, cause i will take action on racial hate emails|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|14:15:28|10/05/2008|
think if one would be educated enough they would do it in a civil way and with real facts and links, instead of calling the names in the first place just to make people boil. and for your information freebie, i am not crazy about ombama but i will not have another republican in office to really kill us. so i defend him as a person not as a man running for office, same if things were said about another person of color, race or from a different religious background. and stop using links from the gossip forums, get real facts from newspapers and the legal sites for the canidates 76|5|OMGoodness..did someone send you emails saying you are a muslim lover???|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|14:30:00|10/05/2008|
You are kidding right? I am so sorry if this happened. This is exactly what I mean about America not being ready for a minority president. People will do anything not to see it happen....for whatever reason seems like their efforts are not working...Obama keeps coming back on top.....all his "haters" seem to ignore that...(I am even trying to figure out how, my mom keeps saying the secret things are of the Lord because she cant figure it out either(LOL)))..... 79|6|soo true the lord does work in mysterious ways, yeah was called many more but can't post it, used to it with some of them thinking i am that religion or thinking from my name i am not american so this is why i was standing up for obama do not let names fool you met a man call mohamed and was spanish and christian,|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|15:43:31|10/05/2008|
i just really do hope that all can open ones mind up and look at someone as a person, and i totaly agree the usa is not ready for a minority or a woman, but something has to give, do not know why they don't give us more to chose from then just 2, i really do not see either one of them will make a difference or get us out of this mess bush put us into in the last 8 years 80|5|Sorry if someone emailed you, that wasn't nice....|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|16:25:50|10/05/2008|
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Any fool can count the seeds in an apple. Only God can count all the apples in one seed." ~Robert H. Schuller
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"Live in such a way that those who know you, but don't know God, will
come to know God because they know you"
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"If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
~Ronald Reagan
69|3|"ignorant bigots"?....racist? ...Enough of the name calling,..please...... |freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|08:54:41|10/05/2008|
Posted on Oct-05-08 at 08:54 AM (Eastern) by 99.205.147.164
everyone is posting info they are finding on the web; ignorant in my opinion would be believing what the mainstream media is feading us and not researching ourselves to
find the real truths....I refuse to just believe everything I see on the network(biased) channels...And yes, I research both sides....but, find something you don't
like and you call it fake and attack by name calling???.....I don't think the videos were fake, because, let me say one thing...If I were to be involved in faking a video
it would not have involved my children...It is sick to use your children like that....No person in the right minds would do that, would they?
SOMETHING I FOUND INTERESTING, JUST SOMEONE'S WAY OF LOOKING AT IT:
"mike Sep 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
This video is twenty kinds of creepy.
Don’t forget that Hollywood’s A-List was involved in its production, starting with Jeff Zucker, CEO of NBC.
Obama is turning out to be The Big Let-Down of ’08.
Obama kept insinuating that He is The Second Coming but every time we’ve held our breaths waiting for him to change water into wine, we’ve been disappointed. Obama kept telling us to ‘tune in next week!’ and he never delivers, the miracle never comes. There is nothing there.
Obama’s has a problem with clarity. I have systematically studied both his autobiographies and I still don’t know what kind of man I’m dealing with. When he was first showcased on TV, my interest was aroused. I used to find Obama enigmatic, but now he just comes off as vacuous, empty.
Obama’s two books address the questions of “Journey of Discovery to Where?” and “Who Am I?” We can all relate to such pondering. But Obama does not give us an answer. If he has found the answer since publishing those two books two years ago then he hasn’t told us yet.
McCain has been on a longer and harder personal journey. There can be nothing more extreme than surviving daily torture for five years. Can you imagine that? To be beaten day-in and day-out, starved, your hands and legs bound by chains? McCain already knows what he can take, and humbly knows where he breaks. Every man and woman has a breaking point. It is very human. McCain already knows his, even though he held out as long as he could.
What trials or stories of human devastation has Obama endured? I can’t imagine being Black in America is an easy thing. But Obama was raised in Polynesia by white grandparents and then went on to Harvard, community service, the Senate, and now the presidency. Obama’s journey seems to have been very easy. His skin color opened all the right doors for him instead of slamming them shut. Obama didn’t march against segregation. Obama didn’t fight for affirmative action. He planted no tree. He carried no water for that tree. Obama has just come along and picked the fruits. That is easy street. This is not a great American story. This is not a triumph of will over adversity. This is a story of baby-boomer entitlement. This is the story of the yuppy next door. These stories are a dime a dozen on aisle 3 at Whole Foods.
You may agree or disagree with McCain but at least you know where he stands. He has a long track record to judge him by. McCain has a long list of hits and misses. He has made mistakes (like us all) but that is because he had been trying to do things and change things all his life. Obama markets himself as the candidate with an unblemished record, but that is only because he doesn’t have a record. We have nothing to judge Obama by. All he gives us is his word and we are supposed to put all our trust in his future promises. But these promises keep changing: Obama has produced two contradictory promises on Iraq, two contradictory promises on NAFTA, and two contradictory promises on taxes. Are we supposed to judge him by the original promise he made, or by his most recent one? The candidate who flows with the changing winds of polls is the lightweight. That much we know.
I feel very embarrassed for buying into the Obama phenomena. Maybe now that the weather is changing I see things in a new light. I feel sheepish for falling for the marketing pitch. Where do I go to get a refund?
I think that many voters like me are looking for clarity in our next president. I feel I know what kind of man McCain is, and that I can trust him. McCain gets my vote."
70|4|"No person in the right minds would do that, would they? " So true BUT we all know there are plenty of people out there who are not in their right minds|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|09:22:46|10/05/2008|
People do horrible things everyday to their children There are millions of things I would never do to my boys or anyone else's children but things happen everyday That make my skin crawl and stomach turn 71|5|talk about racist|tarasdream|rockycreekmomma@gmail.com|09:37:23|10/05/2008|
see if you can find obamas wifes thesis she wrote in college and then you will see whose racist 72|6|Oh, please...They would just say that was fake too~:)....LOL|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|09:47:48|10/05/2008|
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Thought this was interesting....(you can decide the truth of it)
Comment by Proud Soldeirs Mom
October 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Many of you say Obama had nothing to do with this video. Your Wrong! The way he presents himself as some kind of masiah/god, by the stage settings he uses, and the crowd he creates, but doesn’t tell the people about the popular bands he pays to be there as well. He plays on Americans sub concious.
And worst of all, Its working!
Ask yourselves:
Why haven’t we heard anything from the remaining members of his family? All the other candidates have had family members and close friends do interviews to the media, but Obama has none! The media made an attempt durring the primaries to interview two of his closest friends from college, but they declined the interview, and said, “No comment”. Why hasn’t Obama’s grandmother, or half sister come forward and tell the world what a great guy he is? What is it they don’t want us to know?
Obama says that when he was involved with the terrorist Ayers, he was just a neighbor, and that he was on the board with him. Well that board only had 6 members, and they met regularly. When Ayers made threats on America Obama was only 7 years old. But Ayers still holds to He wishes he could have done more! That was in 2005 when he made that comment! What is Obama hiding?
Nothing in his past is clear cut. His dealings with Rezco is still open.
ACORN is running the most corrupt organization of voter fraud in history. Through a labyrinth of lies, and dark alleys, Obama is still envolved with ACORN. Ayers is a part of ACORN. Obama still has ties with the Woods Fund of Chicago which makes regular LARGE donations to ACORN.
A Large amount of money was allagated to ACORN on the first Bail Out Bill that didn’t go through.
Obama has the media in his pocket. Obama has great attorneys working on his Truth Squad. How much of his donations from Americans are being paid to the Media, and his Truth Squad?
Obama admits he will raise taxes on those making $250,000 and more, but yet, he has the Hollywood elite in his pocket as well. What has he been telling the rich of California durring those closed door fundraisers in California to make them want him for president?
Too many un-answered questions! Too many associations with the UNDERGROUD! 90% of the promises he has made durring the primaries (that got him votes), he has now flip flopped on!
What is the exact list of reasons so many Obama supporter are still supporting him? Please enlighten me! I’m tired of hearing lame reasons. If Obama supporters truly feel that Obama’s lowering taxes on the middle and lower class will help them (and now he is saying he won’t be able to do that untill the economy gets better) think again. Yes you will be paying lower taxes, but you will be loosing your jobs because most of the big corporations will be closing down and moving to Mexico or China where they don’t have to pay high taxes! Do you think those business owners are stupid?
Now that is a promise Obama can keep! If you have no job……….. You pay no taxes!
Other than the promise of paying less taxes, what other reasons do Obama suporters have to vote for Obama?
Enquiring minds would honestly like to know!
73|7|Here is a link to her thesis (it is linked thru an article) (m)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|12:01:49|10/05/2008|
Reading it I do not think it sounds racist, I really did not see her bashing or name calling white people, yes it does make it sound like she feels she is not being treated equal because of her color but I sometimes feel I am not treated equal because I am a woman, it does not make me hate men or make me a sexist person, also she based her thesis on a survey of african american Princeton ALumni, she also includes the results in the paper, so this was not a paper on just her beliefs alone, and I also think that it is good she felt the way she did because she sees society needs to be changed and she and her husband want do that.
As far as the you tube videos, people do crazy things, dems or republicans, the video with the kids was a little bit crazy but I am pretty sure (and hope, but hey you really do never know with both sides) Obama did not put the kids and families up to the videos, so we can not blame him for these wacjy videos or dislike him because of the videos (but it seems everyone here has picked their candidate based on issues which is how it should be)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
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77|8|This election sure has the nation in a rabid tizzy...|Sara_s_Mom|IClipCoupons@gmail.com|14:48:16|10/05/2008|
I know the infamous buck stops here at the prez's desk, but Congress makes the laws and then gives them to him to sign it. The House has more Dems than Republicans... yet the fingers point to the Prez whether he deserves them or not.
Problems surface many times years later and I believe that is what the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac crapola is all about here. The economic mess isn't any one party's sole fault here folks.
I know folks are hurting... many here on the boards are barely scraping by. I read the posts here on what we are all doing to save money... gas is sky high and energy to heat our homes is too. Honestly, either way you vote, the problem isn't going to miraculously disappear. Much like being sick, it takes time to feel better and a bit more time to be truly well.
I'm voting for McCain and I am not a racist for not wanting Obama if anyone thinks that. The VP on the ticket is kind of like a bonus... much like you'd buy a product with that extra freebie shrink wrapped to it. Sarah Palin is a governor and hasn't been one for eons of years. Biden has been in the Senate for longer than I've been alive, so yes, he has more experience. But you vote for the top of the ticket, folks.
Even Hillary did not have the audacity to run for Prez the minute she moved out of that White House. She turned up in NY and ran for a Senate seat... and has paid her dues. Barack Obama barely moved into his Senate office before he started running for president. Truth be told, while I wasn't crazy over either Obama or Clinton, I'd rather have Clinton in office than Obama.... Whitewater scandals not withstanding.
As for McCain, maybe I am a softie. There's something noble about serving your country. His POW status certainly doesn't mean he should go straight to the presidency based on just that one aspect about him, but in a time of war, I'd like a president who knows what war is, how bad it sucks and even though it sucks, will do the right thing for the troops because he's been there, done that and bought the t-shirt.
Like others have mentioned, I don't like the secrets... just show me your birth certificate already. As for McCain, just like any other army brat born overseas, he is a U.S. citizen.
I don't care about religion, I care about values. As for talk of Obama being a Muslim... that didn't really concern me. I have a few Muslim friends who are very kind, devout to their religion, and except for some differences in faith, believe in the Golden Rule, ten commandments, etc. much like the rest of us do. The media has portrayed Muslims as extremists. Think about it... the last time they mentioned a cop killer or pedophile on TV, did they say "Joe Schmoe, a Baptist from...." No, they didn't. What I do care about is values... I am a values voter here and as a Catholic, I can't force myself to pull the lever for a candidate who is not a pro-life candidate. For me, the buck stops there. If you cannot respect the life of the unborn, then how can I trust you to respect the life of others?
I urge everyone to not always listen to the media and do your own research from non-partisan sites and even then take it with a grain of salt. Vote your conscience and for me, that is the McCain ticket. (And truth be told, I was really pulling for Mitt Romney... sigh....)
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81|9|Very nice post...I enjoyed reading it...now on that note, I am exhausted....LOL...been to KMart 5 times this week...Now I have to get busy putting stuff away...I think we all are blessed to be able to have a "choice" and live in this great country, even with it's problems, I would not want to be any where else...except for Heaven, of course...|freebiejunkie|joelpoole@msn.com|16:35:21|10/05/2008|
:) 82|10|Kmart doubles is the perfect way to bring us all together, I went yesterday, the doubles started Wed. and I was going to go but did not and the shelves were cleaned out but I managed to get a few good deals!!!|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|19:23:25|10/05/2008|
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83|11|I went to Super Kmart today and last Thursday....The only thing is, I had some $1/2 coupons and they wouldn't double them for another $1, they only doubled them to whatever the price of one item was, so if I bought two items at $1.48 ea, it would only double to .48.....I did get some good deals though and had over $50 in coupons plus I had a $5 off $50 purchase...YAY... :) |RebekkaVA|queen_vulture@msn.com|19:26:52|10/05/2008|
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84|1|read this snopes article|Mackiesmudder|Mackiesmudder@aol.com|23:59:50|10/05/2008|
http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/carol.asp 85|1|well he was|tarasdream|rockycreekmomma@gmail.com|04:26:33|10/06/2008|
asked something at the debate about somethung morally he regretted and he said it was the way his first marriage ended. i know for a fact that him being held pow probably had a lot to do with it. i had a lot of guy friends over there and believe me they werent the same after serving in viet nam much less being a pow. if he liked to fool around then he wouldnt have staid with this one almost thirty years.it took a long time to adjust from being over in viet nam and i had a lot of friends who were never the same. 86|1|Remember the outrage over Rev. Wright, Obamas pastor (m)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|07:27:37|10/06/2008|
Posted on Oct-06-08 at 07:27 AM (Eastern) by 97.97.22.39
Here is a video of someone MCCain has introduced recently while out campaigning and here what he has to say
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/38133-mccain-s-spiritual-guide-wants-america-to-destroy-islam
Just to say though I know this video was made by a group very opposed to MCCain so they want him to look bad, but when the pastor Obama went to made his comments it was all we ever heard, this has not gotten any coverage what so ever, and here is an article where McCain denounces him, but I find it interesting that even though Obama denounced Wright people still try to associate him with the man, who is to say McCain is not still associated with this man?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/rod-parsley-mccains-other_n_103178.html
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88|2|I'm sure that Mrs. McCain had changed a lot too. Pain, worry, resentment, anger over being injured and alone...lots of things change people. IMO I don't think his marriages have anything to do with him being president. |iteachca|iteachca@aol.com|09:19:14|10/06/2008|
I look at who can do a better job for us and right now, that is McCain. And even if he (God forbid) would not make it the 4 years, Palin would do a much better job than Biden. A president does do his/her job alone. There is a whole cabinet, advisors, and all sorts of people involved. I for one am sick of people blaming the problems of this country on the president. Most of the problems have been caused by congress and the senate. Yes, the pres has the power of the veto but most of the problems our country has right now started LONG before Bush was in office.
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89|3|I agree--the man couldn't even lift his arms!|sheliar|sandk95@embarqmail.com|10:53:37|10/06/2008|
McCain still carries the "scars" of his imprisonment to this day. Ever wonder why his wave is so low all the time? He can't lift his arms past a certain point, and has to have help because he can't tie a tie or dress himself alone. I'm sure that when he came back all beat up (mentally & physically), it didn't help to have a wife that couldn't support him and needed support herself. He may not have been able to give her what she needed because he needed help himself. I don't know, I'm just guessing. It's not like the man marriage hopped or anything--he's been married to Cindy for what? 28 years or something? I don't call that lack of commitment. He and his first wife were both victims of circumstance, and while I prefer to see people stay married and honor that commitment, I don't think divorce is wrong and I don't hold it against McCain.
Just my thoughts,
Shelia
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There were huge circumstances on both sides that totally changed who they were, but as far as he and his wife now being married 28 years, that is great and all but how do we really know he has been faithful? When he met her, and now to, she had money and connections and he always intended to get into politics, maybe it is true love but it also may have been a marriage of convenience, look at the Clintons, I dont believe they love each other, and he made the mistake of getting caught, but it is a marriage of conveneince for them both.
Here is a link to a newsweek article on her where she herself states they are usually apart so much with him in Washington and she in Arizona she used to tell her kids dad was deployed serving the country in Washington. Regardless of what kind of mariage they have she is a very stong and smart woman.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/142650
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91|5|? about Biden inside|cathy|coggle@hotmail.com|11:48:13|10/06/2008|
with all this talk about McCain's first wife's accident I was wondering about a comment Biden made during the debate with Sarah Palin. She was talking about how her and her husband had known hard times and had been without insurance, etc. And Biden mentioned something about when his wife and daughter were killed and his sons were gravely ill...he got pretty choked up about it.
I was wondering if anyone knew the circumstances about what happened
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92|6|He was married. They had three children. 2 boys and one girl...|jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|12:00:41|10/06/2008|
she got into a car accident and she died as well as their daughter. the two boys lived. On the day he was to be sworn in ..he was instead at the hospital with his boys wondering if they were going to be okay. He raised his boys and then met Jill when the boys were about 6-8. 93|7|Think about the mess we are in now.....|upallnightintexas|snickersat16@yahoo.com|13:59:44|10/06/2008|
The last couple of presidents put us in the mess we are in now.... neither candidate is going to get us out of it nor be a better president... I wish there was a 3rd candidate, but there is not...
everything needs to be weighed out.... there is so much talk out there and the media just keeps digging for any garbage they can find... I wish they would try to do something beneficial instead...
Our troops will be coming home one day, to what... no jobs, maybe a house, medical??? that's questionable.... which nominee is going to take care of them?
I was not going to vote, but McCain seems to be the lesser of the 2 evils..... I cannot even say the other's name, it makes me sick..... If he does make it into the White House.... can you say Kennedy all over....(read between the lines).
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94|8|I think we need a political board b/c this is taking up a lot of room and it is just a hot topic|jilda|vze4gj4m@verizon.net|14:10:51|10/06/2008|
that many do not want to engage in. 95|9|Annoyed|fiestafun2|fiestafun@gmail.com|15:30:59|10/06/2008|
I will be voting for MCCain and Pallin for many reasons however the reasons I'm not voting for Obama are not due to racism. I just KNOW people are lurking in the corners to pull that out. I seriously feel the # of voters not voting for Obama due to race is very slim. I do feel the # of people not voting for MCCain due to age discrimination is high.
I seriously think neither candidate is a moron, evil, or other mean things I've heard. I don't like Obama due to his stance on the military and the fact that we could easily become terrorized again. I also don't like his foreign policy views. There is a lot to foreign policy that can quickly be learned and negotiated but negotiating with terrorists is not somethng I approve of.
McCain straddles the rep/dem line and I like the fact he isn't afraid to pick the person he sees best for a position and disregard their party affiliation. I am not voting for a vip.
Leaders of the USA have power but not as much as you may think. The people who most need reigned in at this point are the House and Senate. These are the people refraining from vote (HELLLO we are paying them to vote) These are the people playing party hockey to sudden death. They attach so much crap to every single proposal that they are no longer voting on the item at hand.
I'm so sick of Nancy Pelosi its not funny. She's such a big mouth snot. I'm not saying she needs to kiss butt I'm saying she needs to grow the hell up and work together to achieve a common goal even if they all do not agree 100% on everything. This is about negotiations.
I'm seriously just sick and tired of this and sick of the people we hired to do a job to sit in the sidelines and watching our economy go in the toilet.
Good things come to those who wait.
96|1|um, when bill clinton left office there was a US Budget SURPLUS|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|18:08:40|10/06/2008|
and the economy was BOOMING 97|2|that's because he closed down miltary bases and depleated out troops (M)|pussecat|pu55ecat@aol.com|18:23:40|10/06/2008|
then when 911 happened we had no troops to send overseas and thus bush had to reopen bases and train new troops. that's why it took so long for us to get over there.
don't get me wrong, i think it was a good thing for the economy and the deficit HOWEVER when we were attacked we had no one to protect us.
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98|3|Would have been fine if the troops went to where they were needed not to fight the war we are fighting now Face it if we|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|18:45:15|10/06/2008|
were attacked here now we wouldn't have troops here to defend us heck we hardley have any National Gurad here for naturual disasters 103|3|have u read or watch even things about 9/11 or u just going with the media?|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|12:11:15|10/07/2008|
here is a doc that was put out with facts, watch it, and remember the man who got all the information, and the facts for the film, when was released was found dead, floating in the Potomic river outside DC, strange? yes look at the real facts not the media , media tend to blow things up we no longer have true freedome of speech here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
also trying to find the news article from television rai( itailan news) where they did an airplane into a huge building that was built the same way as one of the twin towers, u watch it burning, it never falls, but keeps burning, and the color of smoke was so different. and Italy and France said there were many lies from 9/11 maybe you should really watch world news that is not USA based and then put facts together, this was suppose to be about elections now, but funny thing is now going to terrorist, lets see who the real terrorists are, i was there in Iraq when u have time i surly tell u really what i saw and still see what happens to people and lord help u if you ever had to see it 104|4|Was this for me? i never said that Iraq didn't have it's own problems it is just that Iraq is not where the master mind|teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|12:29:41|10/07/2008|
is who planned the attack on us all the lives of our soldiers lost and still he walks and taunts us Now we are over in Iraq committed to them and the man responcible for the death of our people on our ground walks free 105|5|no teener was for pussecat, dont kknow why when post under someone it shows up down the line more, but even that one man who was trained by our lovely usa, was not responseble, even when i was there the iraqis asked why we distroying their country and killing their children|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|12:59:27|10/07/2008|
funny how more then a year ago france put in their paper bin ladin was dead and then so many fake videos on our news here, if really u look at all the videos posted on the news with him on it, seems to big differances in how he looks, but really everyone should watch the link for the film i posted answers many questions, and i try to find the news one from what they posted in italy its really shocking 99|1|Dont forget Clinton was in office when alcaida(sp?) FIRST attacked us|blessedx5|I_am_blessedx5@yahoo.com|18:57:17|10/06/2008|
and he did nothing....the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, we had many personal friends on this vessel, some didnt make it...Clinton did nothing...left it for the next president to deal with and then what....911
My husband was on his way home from deployment and immediately had to turn around, we didnt see him for another three months.... (gone nine months that year)....
Just because McCain was a pow doesnt make what he did to his wife ok. As a military wife and one who knows MANY military wives, I could not imagine this happening. I am taking care of his kids and his home and he comes back and leaves me...I dont think so(atleast they were married for 10 years because the first wife automatically gets half of his retirement no matter how many times he gets married)...and any excuse for him leaving her is oscar mayer. Has anyone ever been to a military retirement cerimony? The wife is thanked in such a wonderful way. The gratitude from the command is clear and present. His wife needed him and what he did was selfish and unfair....If it were me, my daughters, my mother, or my friend it would not be acceptable for their husband to do this to them, so in my book I will make no excuse for it to be done to ANY woman.... 100|2|I agree completely, if he was a democrat everyone would be up in arms|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|19:02:05|10/06/2008|
about it. 101|1|Any human who goes through a war should not be held to the same standards when they come back as we never know what they went through |teener|teenerzacsneenee@yahoo.com|21:14:37|10/06/2008|
The problem is the military does not do enough to help them get through coming back home to a "normal" life after a war To expect one to be their same ole self is not right 102|2|I agree with you Tina!|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|23:28:17|10/06/2008|
The services that are offered to veterans are not enough and we can do more to ensure that soldiers are able to reinvent themselves after returning home.
I think it is interesting that nobody seems to talk about McCain's mental health. It is understandable that a POW would have issues and I wonder how extensively he has dealt with what happened to him. I'm sure that he was forever changed by what happened to him.
I don't have any statistical info, but I believe the percentage of military families who deal with things like domestic violence (especially in war) is higher than other groups of people. That makes sense, but it seems senseless. If our nation would insist on solid care for veterans we would all be a lot prouder. 106|1|Okay had to respond I'm voting for McCain because he is the candidate that best represents me|mmj2236|sasha@mccarvill.mv.com|13:00:50|10/07/2008|
and my beliefs. I'm sorry but a man who has no political experience and who associates himself with some pretty bad people including a racist minister and a racist home grown terrorist has very little in common with me and is not going to be looking out for my needs. He is going to increase taxes for everyone except the lowest of imcome people who he will give and give and give to (I'm a teach a man to fish person). Not to mention that he has worked to get money for Acorn, a group which provided home loans to people who could not get loans because of bad credit and low income (does any of this sound familiar from the last few weeks). And have you heard of this on the news...hum I wonder why not. I am not a huge fan of John McCain. He just doesn't inspire me. But he has experience and he is a known entity and basically an honest guy. I'll take that over Obama who is very charismatic but lacks substance and moral conviction ( I say lacks moral conviction because as soon as someone or something he has been involved with is determined to be bad for his campaign he drops them or it like a hot potato...case in point immediate unconditonal withdrawal of our troops and Rev Wright).
I also have to say when some are being accused of being racist that it all seems very one sided. When you mention the many bad things Obama has been involved in including attending a church run by Rev. Wright, who no matter how you slice it is pretty anti white, or having a muslim dad, you are called a racist. I'm not a racist but these things sure concern me when I'm voting for a president. And the attending a racist church certainly implies that Mr. Obama might just be a little racist himself. But of course no one can say anything like that because they will be labeled a racist themselves. What a double standard. Imagine if you will how quickly John McCain would have been shunned by his party and the world had he ever attended a church with a minister that preached anti black sentiment or was associated with the klan. Or imagine McCain's wife making racial statements in her past. The press would have had a field day and their careers would be ruined. It makes me really mad because clearly we don't all have equal rights or at least you don't when you're running for public office. The media and press are giving one candidate a pass because of his color and the other they are just hanging out to dry.
Don't bother to email me and call me racist for what I have said. We all know what I have stated above is not racist...its just pointing out the truth of the situation.
JMHO,
Michelle
107|2|McCain is not exactly aligned with the most politically correct pastors either, posted this link above, he even called one who was extreme (IMO) a spiritual advisor (m)|doycosmo|eddie2kevin@tampabay.rr.com|14:25:14|10/07/2008|
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/38133-mccain-s-spiritual-guide-wants-america-to-destroy-islam
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110|3|I guess casting out witches is mainstream to ROFL|glennie58|glenn_scott@alumni.ksg.harvard.edu|16:58:35|10/07/2008|
lol 108|2|here some links to show how really honest mc cain is|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|14:30:15|10/07/2008|
links and news articles how christian mc cain really is hmmm, so in reality neither one obama or mc cain are really great leaders and role models
McCain's Tax Returns Hide Gambling
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-miller/mccains-tax-returns-hide_b_131675.html (mc cains tax return and gambling problem)
But it's John McCain who has opposed any and all tax increases, sort of--as I reported yesterday, McCain would tax employer-provided health care benefits. (He would also raise energy costs significantly with his cap-and-trade carbon emissions reduction program.)
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/the_mccain_tax_increasescontin.html
Misleading claims by McCain on Obama's tax plans (hmm more lies but now on his side)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/30/america/30check.php
Maybe it's part of his anti-tax, slash-the-budget message, but John McCain apparently feels no obligation to pay taxes in the community where he owns a beach-front home: ( why do i have to pay property taxes and he does not if he is so honest?)
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/28/20113/6047
"When you're poor, it can be hard to pay the bills. When you're rich, it's hard to keep track of all the bills that need paying" quoted from cindy mc cain on her defalting her property tax, its a poor excuse )
http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/
he will not raise taxes for the rich, he will cut some taxes and you loose your medicare for the elderly read the whole facts, your health break u think you are getting, will not reach ur pockets or the docs pockets will go straight to the insurance companies to give them breaks not really you, neither side has good health care views, they are both trying to cover up the ugly reality of theirs is really the best way,
109|3|I'm surprised you ladies have a problem with all these things when you are willing to look away when it happens with your candidate|mmj2236|sasha@mccarvill.mv.com|16:43:56|10/07/2008|
As I said before, I'm not a big McCain supporter but he is who I'll be voting for as I see him as the lesser of two evils.
I haven't heard the stories about the McCains not paying property taxes on home but it doesn't shock me...its kind of like having a developer help you buy your home with money that he swindled.... oh thats right the Obamas did that. Like I said I am picking the lesser of the two evils.
My perfect candidate would be the candidate of personal responsibility. He or she would demand that people in this country learn to deal with their mistakes themslves instead of demanding the government save them. He or she would abolish government funded health care and entitlements. People would be asked to carry their own weight and they would have to live with their decisions, good or bad. That includes the rich and the poor. I don't believe in letting people who actually are really in need starve or be homeless but I don't believe in giving money to people who have cell phones and Ipods and every other electronic gadget and $100 tennis shoes and then cry poverty. Let them know what real poverty feels like for a little while. We are a country of whinning crying spoiled brats who have been coddled by our government for too long. I only wish that we had a candidate that was willing to do what really needs to be done to make this country great again. But that is a pipe dream.
JMHO,
Michelle
111|4|This is another topic, but..|sunriver|lithiasalt@cheerful.com|18:05:07|10/07/2008|
Sometimes it is actually cheaper for a low income person to have a cell phone than it is to have a land line.
The IPOD their child has may have been a gift from a relative or something.
The fancy tennis shoes may have been something that the KID himself worked and paid for.
I can keep going, but I'm sure most get my drift. We can't judge each other or else none of us will ever win. 112|5|Have to say this again...the top 10 poorest cities in the nation are run by Democrats and have been for a long time.....|Quietwaters|Quietwaters39@hotmail.com|19:34:29|10/07/2008|
There is something wrong with that picture to me.
Democrat leadership.
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984
Cleveland, OH (4th)... since 1989
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor
St. Louis, MO (6th).... since 1949
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor
Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908
Philadelphia, PA (9th)... since 1952
Newark, NJ (10th)... since 1907
It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats - yet are still disadvantaged.
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I would say that there is more to the success of a city than what a mayor can accomplish. And both political parties have a history of having a dark side to them.
There are no easy solutions to poverty. 113|3|lol mycat ... there is absolutly no such thing as a honest politician ... lol :o)|BriansMommy|mommytobrian04@aol.com|20:52:26|10/07/2008|
They are all the same ... liars, cheaters and thieves. 115|4|Back to backin up my Biden lies thread|Kristy|mi3zons1@yahoo.com|23:11:08|10/07/2008|
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html
"Women should not have children after 35. Thirty-five children are enough." - anonymous (Only 28 to GO!) 116|5|lool i know they are all dishonest :) was just showing one who thinks mc cain is so christain that he wasn't, and not to mention so many lies from all of them to now, , but the debate tonight was so disappointing also, all mc cain could do was attack again, and get nervous and obama played it too safe, i was hoping for something that would wow me|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|00:20:12|10/08/2008|
,, getting too close and neither one, only thing was after tonight, made me for sure not vote for mc cain. there is no way even after watching the post debate talks on WETA can he pull us out of a depression. show you really how much out of date and time he really is 118|6|lol ... ok :o) I wa a bit sleepy last night while I was reading it :o)|BriansMommy|mommytobrian04@aol.com|07:53:30|10/08/2008|
www.myspace.com/briansmommy04 119|1|If this is true then there are more Hollywood conservatives out there.|tarasdream|rockycreekmomma@gmail.com|10:00:51|10/10/2008|
If this is true then there are more Hollywood conservatives out there.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/molen.asp From Snopes---undetermined.
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I don't know how true this is, but it sure makes sense in some ways. The predictions are very interesting also.
Mother of All Mistakes
It matters not if you lean to the left or to the right, the following is worth a read, at the very least it should receive some thought before we set the U.S. on a course that will be impossible to change.
This is an email from BGEN James Cash, USAF (Ret), who has written some very good articles on the subject. Here he recommends someone else's email that impressed him, and scared him.
General Cash Wrote:
Occasionally, I receive an email that I agree with so totally I want to pass to everyone on my list. This is one of those emails. I have approval from the writer to forward the attached, and feel free to post it on your websites, or forward to friends. The election of Obama as President of the United States will mark the apex, and beginning downslide of this Republic. The only question is the rate at which the downfall will occur. The writer of this essay is Jerry Molen. Jerry is a great friend and an Academy Award winning Hollywood Producer. He did Jurassic Park , Hook, Rainman, and many more class movies. He won the Academy Award for Schindler's List. Jerry is one of the very few clear thinking conservatives that I know from Hollywood . We need to get this out to as many as possible to include liberal Democrats.. We are about to make the Mother-of-All-Mistakes, because the Republican Party gave us no reliable alternative. In my opinion, if the conservative movement does not rally behind the only alternative left to us, this country will become a true Socialist State within the next two Presidential terms. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the most grave situation this nation has faced in my lifetime.
Jim Cash B/G, USAF, Ret.
Jerry Molen writes:
'Election woes defined by prose.....'
We just experienced an overhyped, positively outrageous primary election season that has left me cold and wondering where the heads of our citizens are hiding out. Must be someplace where the sun doesn't get to very often.
At one time in my life I was a determined, dedicated and ever loyal registered Democrat. Then something happened (Lyndon Baines Johnson) that turned my life around and gave me much pause as to the veracity of a party that dwelt on and fed off of the most unfortunate among us. Some of those unfortunates were in their positions in life by way of their own choosing and others were there by circumstance. But always, always with a door open to them to reach for new heights, achieve new goals, change their lives for the better. And also, always ever present were the bottom feeders doing everything they could to take advantage of those who had not or have not seen the light of better days and times, nor realizing they were in fact the masters of their own destiny. They had come to believe that they were dependent on those in power in Washington and that they would look out for them and take care of their every need. They are still waiting and expecting all those promised freebies.
Most people aren't even aware that the Democrats ruled Washington for over 40 years. It wasn't until 1994 when the so called Gingrich Revolution changed that for a short period of time. Nor do people realize that it was the Dem's that created the failed policies of the many entitlement programs that are falling apart right before our eyes. Please do not think I find the Republicans blameless in all this. They too, suffer from ego inflation and greed motivators built into the system. It's just that the past few months I've listened to the rantings and railings of the left in America calling for more giveaways and better ways to obtain the proverbial 'free lunch'.
I think that to sum up my feelings and why I am so set apart from those within the circles of political power and influence can be illustrated best by a quote by noted basketball legend and talk show co-host Charles Barkley:
'Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last fifty years....and they are still poor'.
And now with the election results comes the promises of 'change'. 'Change we can believe in.' 'Change for the future'. When in fact if you really, I mean REALLY listen to what the new messiah is asking for, is not 'change of policy' or 'change for the better'. He is warning all of us that he wants our change all right, 'loose change', pocket change', social change and political change......So people wake up. For if you don't, the change you get may not be the change you were expecting or the change you wanted.
To close my screed, I want to leave you with some JM predictions in the event the junior Senator from Illinois becomes President and especially if the House and Senate are veto proof.
1). Strict new gun laws will be enacted even though he promised he would not.
2). The phrase 'In God We Trust' will be removed from all currency.
3). He will back away from his pledge to Israel and leave them to the wolves of Islam.
4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.
5). Tax rates will return to their highest levels in 30 years.
6). The capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.
7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
8). The borders will be 'basically open' to all comers. Especially those from the Middle East and South America ..
9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegalʼs now in the U.S regardless of status or even gang members (MS-13).
10). The war in Iraq will be brought to an abrupt end and the results will be tragic and the consequences to our military will be devastating.
I realize that my predictions may not sit too well with some people and the best we could all hope for is that I am totally wrong. Any bets?
Jerry Molen
If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone... you might want to read it again!!!
It is time for Americans to speak up - loud and clear 120|2|its not true, it is a gossip and a very rude list at the bottom, really wish people get over races and other cultures, once you can do this then we can truly have a real America, and why is Isreal our problem, Arabs were there before the Jewish were, they both have to work out their problems, why should we be in the middle of them? we have enough going on|MyCat|mazashatat11@hotmail.com|12:51:40|10/10/2008|
here in our country then to worry about others countries that is what the UN is for to keep peace, and also if was not for other people immagrating to the USA you would not be in this wonderful country take at look at your true roots and see where your ancestors came from, remember the USA is for all people and even the Middle Easterns who were some of the first ones that went through Ellis Island.